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Old 05-31-2008, 10:47 PM
 
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Considering some stupid plastic playground junk at walmart contains enough plastic to supply someone with a life time of plastic bags, I think there are more important issues to tackle.

China is one of the worst polluters in the world, the worst actually.

We do not do it in America because the bottom line still counts in all transactions. I sort of like it in Sweden where they have bags available, but cost extra, so people bring their own reusable ones.

I use mine for garbage bags.

As far as intrusion of the gov, I agree, but it is always a fine line when it comes to government, the environment and people'e rights.
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Old 06-01-2008, 12:39 AM
 
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Thats strainge cause the bags we use are Made in China...

they figure if they give us enough rope we'll probably hang ourselves
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Old 06-01-2008, 12:44 AM
 
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I don't like worrying about oil when the lungs of the planet will suffer. What is the alternative bag? Paper... With so much deforestation we should focus on biodegradable plastic bags and make hydrogen a reality for cars to offset the petroleum crisis.
no, the alternative is to take you own canvas bags to the store. in fact i personally used to hate packing bags at the checkout. now i take 2-3 crates. i load everthing into the crates so much simpler to pack/unpack/lug around at store/home. i figure at 20 bags per week =1000 bags per year saving on the plastic and the energy required to make and transport them. if they come from china, well then it's a few less bucks leaving the country then
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Old 06-04-2008, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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that is great news. america hasn't done this because they are not into the environment. money still rules, but you knew that.

they may ban plastic bags, but you know..... all of the coal power plants they open every year is not that "into the enviroment" either.
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:49 AM
 
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they may ban plastic bags, but you know..... all of the coal power plants they open every year is not that "into the enviroment" either.
coal power plants to supply our insatiable demand for their products.
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Old 06-11-2008, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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The Chinese Government announced that they will ban all Plastic Bags used in the country. The Chinese use 3 billion plastic bags a day and banning them will save about 37 million barrels of oil to produce them. Good to hear something positive out of there.

Here's the Scientific American Magazine article for those interested.
China Sacks Plastic Bags: Scientific American
We may think that it is a trivial thing to do, but if you consider China's size and population, it makes sense.

I'm glad to hear that they're doing something. Maybe they won't take the ever increasing oil prices lying down like we do. With their numbers and political system, they might just make a dent.

Now, if only we could do a bunch of little things like that....wishful thinking perhaps?
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Old 06-11-2008, 02:35 PM
 
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Now, if only we could do a bunch of little things like that....wishful thinking perhaps?
Many places in California already do...
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Old 06-11-2008, 07:46 PM
 
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I don't see how banning plastic bags will help them... what are they going to use? Paper bags? Cut down more trees? Someone suggested using canvas bags... those don't hold nearly enough unless you plan on buying like 4-5 of them... not a bad idea but its odd carrying that many bags into a grocery store and then after unloading your groceries at home to bring them back to the car... not very efficient..
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I don't see how banning plastic bags will help them... what are they going to use? Paper bags? Cut down more trees? Someone suggested using canvas bags... those don't hold nearly enough unless you plan on buying like 4-5 of them... not a bad idea but its odd carrying that many bags into a grocery store and then after unloading your groceries at home to bring them back to the car... not very efficient..
When I was stationed in Korea, I had no car. I had to walk 2 miles to go to work in really high humidity. I carried a backpack with a complete change of t-shirt, underwear, etc to change once I got to work.

The bars downtown didn't have toilet paper, so I also had a roll in there too. The weather could change abruptly, so I also carried rain gear. You never knew when the BX or the commissary would have items you needed, so I would shop and put my purchases in the backpack too. It was easier than carrying bags. You name it, I had it in my backpack.

It became such a habit, that after I returned to the states, I always used the backpack. Never carried a handbag until I became a civilian some four years later.

It might be inconvenient as opposed to inefficient, but hey, it builds character!
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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I don't see how banning plastic bags will help them... what are they going to use? Paper bags? Cut down more trees? Someone suggested using canvas bags... those don't hold nearly enough unless you plan on buying like 4-5 of them... not a bad idea but its odd carrying that many bags into a grocery store and then after unloading your groceries at home to bring them back to the car... not very efficient..

are you kidding? it's not rocket science. personally i use crates at the store when i do a big shop. i take 2 of them and put them in the cart. i can load them 5 times faster than plastic bags at the checkout. they're easier to carry and unpack too. they also don't break and leave your groceries all over the floor. people always comment how convenient they are and how quick i get through the checkout. i also have a few spare ikea canvas bags in the car as my wife cannot carry the crates if they're full, so she spreads the load. i carry a backpack to work so if i get off the train and need to get something it's pretty easy.
plastic bags cost money and the consumer ultimately pays. they also take a squillion years to decompose and i hate seeing them littered around.
the effort is so miniscule and the effect is incredible. 20 bags per week saving is around 1000 bags per year saved
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