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Old 07-05-2008, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Animals are not impeded, they can still get past...I don't think it's so bad really.
Have you ever seen this area outside of Palm Springs? I mean, personally?

These are but a very small portion of the total turbines there - including on top of mountains - right up to the edge of the freeway (I-10)
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Old 07-05-2008, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Jax
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(response inside your quote...)

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Have you ever seen this area outside of Palm Springs? I mean, personally?

Nope.

These are but a very small portion of the total turbines there - including on top of mountains - right up to the edge of the freeway (I-10)

Well, on the tops of the mountains does not sound attractive, but I can't see those from your picture .
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Old 07-05-2008, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The picture I provided is of one very small area of the total - They are on the top of mountains and down the highway edge
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Old 07-05-2008, 11:16 PM
 
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These are but a very small portion of the total turbines there - including on top of mountains
One of the first large scale installations I remember seeing was on the top of a ridge next to I-80 in Wyoming. Air piled up behind the ridge, and typically spilled over the top at a higher speed than the prevailing winds. Ridge tops can be a wonderful place to put turbines.

Valleys and tunnels are good too. The trick to finding good wind is to remember that air will behave the same way as a river. If you want the fastest current, you just go to the narrowest part of the river. The picture you posted looks like it was built to take advantage of the mountain's ability to steer the air into that area.
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Old 07-06-2008, 12:26 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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too much wind power makes it tough on fish runs (PNW)

NW wind power was almost too much of a good thing - Examiner.com (broken link)

Denmark Generates Too Much Wind Power | Got2BeGreen (broken link)

interesting challenge for the load balancing, when you can't store wind (yet)
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Old 07-06-2008, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Wow, Denmark is really getting creative with excess energy produced by wind...

I'm sure if we all play around with the idea a bit, we can figure something out... something that will work until we can find a way to store electricity on a large scale. This would eliminate one major disadvantage of wind power.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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DCN - Hydroelectric pumped storage is a proven technology for storing and releasing electric energy. The process uses two reservoirs with about 1000 ft vertical distance between them. When electrical energy needs to be stored vast quantities of water are pumped to the top by enormous electrically powered pumps (typically 250 mega watt) and when electrical energy is needed the water is released to the lower reservoir through the same machinery acting as 250 MW generators. About 70 to 80 percent of the energy is recovered. These power storage plants could be built to store the excess electricity generated when strong winds were blowing and release the energy when the wind was absent.
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Old 07-08-2008, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Here in the southwest - including in areas like Palm Springs where there is a large wind turbine farm - solar energy would be as beneficial in collecting renewable energy and may be more esthetically pleasing even IMO.
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Old 07-08-2008, 12:47 PM
 
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Here in the southwest - including in areas like Palm Springs where there is a large wind turbine farm - solar energy would be as beneficial in collecting renewable energy and may be more esthetically pleasing even IMO.
The perfect place to put those solar collectors is under the turbines. You've already got the land, the infrastructure, the easements, and turbines don't cast a big enough shadow to cause an efficiency problem. Since the wind tends to blow during off peak solar hours, you can get more usable hours out of your existing infrastructure.
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Virginia (soon Ellsworth)
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can i have one of that in my back yard, hope to save $120,000 in the next 20 years.

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