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Suburbans
Excursions
Expeditions
Explorers
Tahoes
Monteros
Land Cruisers
Durangos
Grand Cherokees
Commanders
Navigators
Mountaineers
Yukons
Envoys
4Runners
Sequoias
Touaregs
Hummers
XC 90s
Q7s
Cayennes
Armadas
Land Rovers
QX 56s
That seems like a LOT of SUVs - and all of them with a HIGHWAY rating of less than 20 mpg..
Now - why don't you compare that list with mini vans and some family sedans - you might find that there are a whole bunch of these vehicles with gas mileage LESS THAN the 20 mpg you mentioned - why don't people such as yourself, complain about THESE vehicles?
Now - why don't you compare that list with mini vans and some family sedans - you might find that there are a whole bunch of these vehicles with gas mileage LESS THAN the 20 mpg you mentioned - why don't people such as yourself, complain about THESE vehicles?
Why?
What are you getting so mad about? YOU are the one who claimed that "very few" SUVs are gas guzzlers. That was YOU, so the topic turned to SUVs.
I said that in my view, anything with a mileage less than 20 mpg is a gas guzzler. I then asked what you think?
So now I've given a list of SUVs, all with a highway mileage of less than 20 mpg, and you're mad at me? Sheesh!
Sure, let's talk about sedans, trucks and minivans that are gas guzzlers. I don't care!
My POINT is - there are far more CARS that are, by your definition, gas guzzlers - yet no one complains about them. They ONLY complain about the few SUV's that are "gas guzzlers".
My POINT is - there are far more CARS that are, by your definition, gas guzzlers - yet no one complains about them. They ONLY complain about the few SUV's that are "gas guzzlers".
Why is that?
And once again, I'll ask you what your definition of a gas guzzler. What is the MPG rating that YOU think qualifies it as a gas guzzler.
I'll also remind you that it was YOU that brought up SUVs.
As for cars, you say there are "far more" CARS that are gas guzzlers than SUVs? I'd like to know which ones those are. Would you list all the cars that get lower than 20 mpg? I know there are sports cars that applies to, but I'd like to know just what cars those are.
I think the only way, with our current living system, to "mesh with nature" is to live mostly self sufficient in a rural area. Not everyone can do that, and sprawl has about as many or more negative effects as city dwelling. Basically, at current capacity we can only fight an up hill battle to try to mesh with nature. I think either city dwelling or suburban living is close to equally as bad and we shouldn't be saying one is better than the other or telling people they should live in one place or the other. As we continue to advance in regards to reducing our impact, it will be applied to all areas of living.
IMO, everyone living in off the land in rural areas would be a step back for humanity. I mean, what fun would that be if there were no place to connect with others, share different cultures, enjoy entertainment, etc. Everyone living off the land in a rural area is just not an option for the majority of the developed world.
As for sprawl vs. city living, why do you think city dwelling has as many or even more negative effects than sprawl??!! Have you not heard about all of sprawl's negative effects on the environment?
As for sprawl vs. city living, why do you think city dwelling has as many or even more negative effects than sprawl??!! Have you not heard about all of sprawl's negative effects on the environment?
We see "immigrants" from the east coast - NYC, Baltimore, Chicago etc who do not want to live on top of one another - hence why they do not want to live in high density areas. They want the "elbow room" that surburbia can bring.
In areas like Phoenix there is no real desire to build such high density projects, particularily in down town areas in any great numbers.
We see "immigrants" from the east coast - NYC, Baltimore, Chicago etc who do not want to live on top of one another - hence why they do not want to live in high density areas. They want the "elbow room" that surburbia can bring.
In areas like Phoenix there is no real desire to build such high density projects, particularily in down town areas in any great numbers.
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