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I carry both. I carry 2 Glock 17's in 9mm, one on my right hip and one in the small of my back, with a 4 magazine pouch on the left side.
I also carry in an ankle holster a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special. Both of the firearms use the same type of ammo (critical defense), just different calibers.
I am also thinking of using a Maxpedition Versipack for my main CCW firearm.
I just read where a guy slipped and fell on ice, landed on his back, on his gun and had career ending surgery.
I never thought of that before but after reading that (and another similar accident) I would think twice about carrying in the back.
Part #3 is your friend. It's a firing pin block. Means it won't go off until you fully depress the trigger.
I think the poster you were replying to was suggesting that the gun being in the sob position was the problem. Fall on your back with a lump of steel between your spine and the ground, and it's going to be a bad day.
........ Point #1 To Consider:
Yeah, semi-auto's are compact, thinner, lighter, and easier to carry, they often hold a few more rounds, they are stylish and just downright cool! But, in a real self defense application, I see NO advantage whatsoever to a semi-auto. First, you probably aren't going to need more rounds then what a revolver can carry in your average self defense scenerio........
Point #2 To Consider
Secondly, semi-auto's are less reliable. Yeah, the differences are minimal, but they are there. There is no such thing 100% reliable ammunition. .......
Point #3 To Consider
Third, with a semi-auto you have to worry about jams, FTC's, and FTE's....
Point #4 To Consider
Fourth, if you find yourself in a situation where you have to use your firearm for self defense, there's a good chance that you've been knocked to the ground and have a thug on top of you.........
Point 1: I've been trained to carry a minimal of three magazines and I always do.
Point 2: If the ammo fails, eject the round, move to the next. If the ammo fails a lot, drop the mag, move to the next.
Point 3: On jams, clear it and carry on which may include dropping the mag and going to the next.
Point 4: Well let's just say between training on how fast an assailant can cross ground and my own martial arts training, that scenario is bound to turn up very interesting.
Let's phrase this another way...why would anyone use a revolver?
Ammunition------Wash, unless you are hunting, both offer similarly powered cartridges
Capacity------------------Advantage semi-auto
Slimmer profile-------------------Advantage semi-auto
Acceptable mechanical accuracy--Wash (we aren't shooting bulls-eye, we are wanting something that can shoot at least a 3" target at 25 yards, and both can do it.)
Reliability------------------------Wash, this can be argued many ways, but plenty of revolvers and semi-autos run just fine.
Reloads-------------------------Advantage semi-auto, clearly.
Recoil--------------------------Advantage semi-auto due to lower bore axis, polymer frames (they flex and absorb energy), etc.
So really, what is the reason one would choose the wheel-gun? All I have seen in this thread is a weak attempt to JUSTIFY the wheelgun, noone has really said anything about it being superior that can be shown as fact. There have been training issues, techniques, and "what if's" brought up, but nothing about the wheel gun has been shown to be factually superior FOR THE USE INTENDED.
With a shrouded hammer, shoots repeatedly through an overcoat jacket pocket while in a parking lot on a winter night.
I am an ex-bullseye competitor. I say ex because at my age, my wrist and arm just won't let me hold the groups I once did. I have 3 semi auto handguns 2 carry weapons, .40 and 9mm, and my bullseye .45.
Of the 2 carry weapons I have run approximately 12 -15,000 rounds thru each one. Neither one has ever jambed or even stove piped. My bullseye gun has stove piped a couple times. Never during practice with my ball ammo, but instead, during competition shooting furnished ammo.
I would say that semi auto's are pretty reliable. For those that talk about semis jamming all the time, you need a "competent junsmith or an armourer. Choose you ammo carefully.
Point 1: I've been trained to carry a minimal of three magazines and I always do.
Point 2: If the ammo fails, eject the round, move to the next. If the ammo fails a lot, drop the mag, move to the next.
Point 3: On jams, clear it and carry on which may include dropping the mag and going to the next.
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You're talking about this in the context of a gun fight..... The vast majority of us will never have to use our carry weapons for a self defense situation, let alone a gun fight.
Most self defense situations are gong to be over and done with in a matter of seconds, there aren't going to be any droppings of the mag and moving to the next.....
You're talking about this in the context of a gun fight..... The vast majority of us will never have to use our carry weapons for a self defense situation, let alone a gun fight.
Most self defense situations are gong to be over and done with in a matter of seconds, there aren't going to be any droppings of the mag and moving to the next.....
About the "majority of us"......true and I hope I'm in that majority. I recall once where I was looking at a concealed holster and commented to the salesman how it didn't provide for a spare magazine.
"You're a civilian. If you need a second magazine, you're in the wrong gun fight."
QUITE FRANKLY, I hope I'm never in any gun fight.
But.....in the event it might come to that, then I train for multiple target engagements, of covering multiple targets in the visual range, of coming up for a window of fire and then ducking back under cover, of having the energy (or at least using it up), to go through a 3 magazine, 31 round engagement, of keeping track of my rounds so it's an automatic mental process and being ready to pull magazine 2, 3 from my shoulder holster, and so forth.
Finally, just as an aside. You know one of the advantages of using a shoulder holster? When you are on the can, you aren't disarmed.
About the "majority of us"......true and I
hope I'm in that majority. I recall once where I was looking at a concealed
holster and commented to the salesman how it didn't provide for a spare
magazine.
"You're a civilian. If you need a second magazine, you're in the wrong gun
fight."
QUITE FRANKLY, I hope I'm never in any gun fight.
But.....in the event it might come to that, then I train for multiple target
engagements, of covering multiple targets in the visual range, of coming up for
a window of fire and then ducking back under cover, of having the energy (or at
least using it up), to go through a 3 magazine, 31 round engagement, of keeping
track of my rounds so it's an automatic mental process and being ready to pull
magazine 2, 3 from my shoulder holster, and so forth.
I've noticed that there are always a few people who carry as if they plan on taking a walk through Afghanistan, carrying two or even sometimes 3 firearms at once, and carrying multiple magazines. I don't judge anyone for doing that. It's not my place to do so, but I would venture to say that the majority of people who carry do not have all that firepower on them. Personally, I just don't think it's necessary. It's overkill, and the cost to benefit ratio just doesn't make sense. If I was a cop, or worked as a body guard, or was otherwise in a position that may require me to go on the offensive, then I could understand. But just going about my daily life? Too much of an { unnecessary } burden, YMMV
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Finally, just as an aside. You know one of the advantages of using a shoulder
holster? When you are on the can, you aren't disarmed.
I'll be carrying IWB { if I ever get my holster } and I won't be disarmed on the can either. I'll just take my firearm and put it in my underwear. That also keeps you from forgetting your firearm in the stall { believe it or not, it happens }
I've noticed that there are always a few people who carry as if they plan on taking a walk through Afghanistan, carrying two or even sometimes 3 firearms at once, and carrying multiple magazines. I don't judge anyone for doing that. It's not my place to do so, but I would venture to say that the majority of people who carry do not have all that firepower on them. Personally, I just don't think it's necessary. It's overkill, and the cost to benefit ratio just doesn't make sense. If I was a cop, or worked as a body guard, or was otherwise in a position that may require me to go on the offensive, then I could understand. But just going about my daily life? Too much of an { unnecessary } burden, YMMV.........
Well, at least consider training against a multiple target engagement. It could help prevent target fixation.
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} and I won't be disarmed on the can either. I'll just take my firearm and put it in my underwear. That also keeps you from forgetting your firearm in the stall { believe it or not, it happens }
