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2. Father is of mixed Asian descent and was born and raised in Ewa,
Hawaii
My dream is to one day live in Hawaii, full time.
I am not technically a Hawaii Local since, I do not meet the
qualification of being born and raised in Hawaii. Instead, I was born
and raised (for the most part) on the mainland. The reason that I am
concerned about this is because I know of some people in Hawaii who are
of the "Hawaii is for locals only, please no Haole's from the
mainland." Hawaii locals have a stronger claim to Hawaii than people
from the mainland. While I am technically a mainlander, the following
is true:
A. I have via my father, who was born and raised in Hawaii, several
generations of working class Hawaii local heritage, going back to the
plantation days.
B. I spent almost every summer as a child and college summers too in
Hawaii, not in a tourist hotel near Kuhio beach, but in a working class
neighborhood in Hawaii.
C. I was raised by a Hawaii local father who meets many of the cultural
stereotypes of a Hawaii local.
D. As a result of my father being the cook of the family, since I was a
child I have picked up some local tastes in food.
E. I have many ties to Hawaii in terms of family and some friends I met
while working their during my summer in college.
My questions to any "Hawaii Locals" are the following:
1. When I hear Hawaii locals talk about how people from the mainland
don't have as much of a claim to live in Hawaii and need to prove
themselves,do you believe that either you are local or not or can one
be somewhere in between as in my case?
2. Suppose Hawaii became an independent country and you were an
immigration official in charge of deciding who among these two people
were more local, which one would you be willing to accept as more local
of the two:
1. A son of a mainland or Asian continent Billionaire who was born in
Hawaii when the family briefly was there for a few months on vacation
at their Kahala mansion ( which makes him meet the criteria of being
born in Hawaii.) Let us say he managed to attend Punaho high school for
a year ( He now meets the criteria of having gone to high school in
Hawaii). Yet his alliances, heritage, and culture are that of his
wealthy mainland or Asian continent family. He has no heritage
whatsoever that is Hawaii Local.
2. the Son of a Pinoy-Samoan couple that lived in a housing project in
Kalii, yet moved to Las Vegas out of necessity and had their son born
in Las Vegas ( The son was born in Las Vegas after the couple moved to
Las Vegas making him fail the criteria of being born in Hawaii).
However, this guy grows up in a community in Las Vegas that is heavily
"Hawaii local" in tradition, remains within the "ninth island"
subculture of Las Vegas, and travels every summer to be with Auntie in
Pearl City. Additionally, he is by definition raised by his dyed in the
wool Hawaii local parents, has "Hawaii local" tastes in food and
maintains strong ties to Hawaii. However, he actually goes to high
school in Las Vegas. As soon as he completes college, he moves to
Hawaii full time.
Of the two above people, which one do you think has a stronger claim to
the land of Hawaii? How would you feel about the first one identifying
as a Hawaii local and how would you feel about the second one
identifying as a Hawaii local?
Would you allow Keanu Reeves children ( who are Native
Hawaian and have more had more generations in Hawaii than many Hawaii locals) to identify as Hawaii locals or would you view them as
mainlanders trying to take over?
Would you view Barack Obama's children if they decided to try to move to Hawaii as adults as Hawaii locals or mainlanders trying to take over ( I think in this case, being the son of the most famous national Hawaii local figure, should make them at least semi-local)?
I know that I may be talkin stink, as they say, but I feel hurt that the ideology here is that either you are 100 percent a Hawaii local or a 100 percent outsider.
I just feel that even though I was not technically born and raised in Hawaii, that "Hawaii local" is a true part of my heritage.
2. Father is of mixed Asian descent and was born and raised in Ewa,
Hawaii
My dream is to one day live in Hawaii, full time.
I am not technically a Hawaii Local since, I do not meet the
qualification of being born and raised in Hawaii. Instead, I was born
and raised (for the most part) on the mainland. The reason that I am
concerned about this is because I know of some people in Hawaii who are
of the "Hawaii is for locals only, please no Haole's from the
mainland." Hawaii locals have a stronger claim to Hawaii than people
from the mainland. While I am technically a mainlander, the following
is true:
A. I have via my father, who was born and raised in Hawaii, several
generations of working class Hawaii local heritage, going back to the
plantation days.
B. I spent almost every summer as a child and college summers too in
Hawaii, not in a tourist hotel near Kuhio beach, but in a working class
neighborhood in Hawaii.
C. I was raised by a Hawaii local father who meets many of the cultural
stereotypes of a Hawaii local.
D. As a result of my father being the cook of the family, since I was a
child I have picked up some local tastes in food.
E. I have many ties to Hawaii in terms of family and some friends I met
while working their during my summer in college.
My questions to any "Hawaii Locals" are the following:
1. When I hear Hawaii locals talk about how people from the mainland
don't have as much of a claim to live in Hawaii and need to prove
themselves,do you believe that either you are local or not or can one
be somewhere in between as in my case?
2. Suppose Hawaii became an independent country and you were an
immigration official in charge of deciding who among these two people
were more local, which one would you be willing to accept as more local
of the two:
1. A son of a mainland or Asian continent Billionaire who was born in
Hawaii when the family briefly was there for a few months on vacation
at their Kahala mansion ( which makes him meet the criteria of being
born in Hawaii.) Let us say he managed to attend Punaho high school for
a year ( He now meets the criteria of having gone to high school in
Hawaii). Yet his alliances, heritage, and culture are that of his
wealthy mainland or Asian continent family. He has no heritage
whatsoever that is Hawaii Local.
2. the Son of a Pinoy-Samoan couple that lived in a housing project in
Kalii, yet moved to Las Vegas out of necessity and had their son born
in Las Vegas ( The son was born in Las Vegas after the couple moved to
Las Vegas making him fail the criteria of being born in Hawaii).
However, this guy grows up in a community in Las Vegas that is heavily
"Hawaii local" in tradition, remains within the "ninth island"
subculture of Las Vegas, and travels every summer to be with Auntie in
Pearl City. Additionally, he is by definition raised by his dyed in the
wool Hawaii local parents, has "Hawaii local" tastes in food and
maintains strong ties to Hawaii. However, he actually goes to high
school in Las Vegas. As soon as he completes college, he moves to
Hawaii full time.
Of the two above people, which one do you think has a stronger claim to
the land of Hawaii? How would you feel about the first one identifying
as a Hawaii local and how would you feel about the second one
identifying as a Hawaii local?
Would you allow Keanu Reeves children ( who are Native
Hawaian and have more had more generations in Hawaii than many Hawaii locals) to identify as Hawaii locals or would you view them as
mainlanders trying to take over?
Would you view Barack Obama's children if they decided to try to move to Hawaii as adults as Hawaii locals or mainlanders trying to take over ( I think in this case, being the son of the most famous national Hawaii local figure, should make them at least semi-local)?
I know that I may be talkin stink, as they say, but I feel hurt that the ideology here is that either you are 100 percent a Hawaii local or a 100 percent outsider.
I just feel that even though I was not technically born and raised in Hawaii, that "Hawaii local" is a true part of my heritage.
You're not a "local" unless you have Hawaiian ancestors in most people's book. It is what it is.
And I love your definition (no sarcasm at all intended) under " 1. A son of a mainland or Asian continent Billionaire who was born in
Hawaii when the family briefly was there for a few months on vacation
at their Kahala mansion ( which makes him meet the criteria of being
born in Hawaii.) Let us say he managed to attend Punaho high school for
a year ( He now meets the criteria of having gone to high school in
Hawaii). Yet his alliances, heritage, and culture are that of his
wealthy mainland or Asian continent family. He has no heritage
whatsoever that is Hawaii Local."
You can live here if you want and be happy here if you want.
2. Father is of mixed Asian descent and was born and raised in Ewa,
Hawaii
My dream is to one day live in Hawaii, full time.
I am not technically a Hawaii Local since, I do not meet the
qualification of being born and raised in Hawaii. Instead, I was born
and raised (for the most part) on the mainland. The reason that I am
concerned about this is because I know of some people in Hawaii who are
of the "Hawaii is for locals only, please no Haole's from the
mainland." Hawaii locals have a stronger claim to Hawaii than people
from the mainland. While I am technically a mainlander, the following
is true:
A. I have via my father, who was born and raised in Hawaii, several
generations of working class Hawaii local heritage, going back to the
plantation days.
B. I spent almost every summer as a child and college summers too in
Hawaii, not in a tourist hotel near Kuhio beach, but in a working class
neighborhood in Hawaii.
C. I was raised by a Hawaii local father who meets many of the cultural
stereotypes of a Hawaii local.
D. As a result of my father being the cook of the family, since I was a
child I have picked up some local tastes in food.
E. I have many ties to Hawaii in terms of family and some friends I met
while working their during my summer in college.
My questions to any "Hawaii Locals" are the following:
1. When I hear Hawaii locals talk about how people from the mainland
don't have as much of a claim to live in Hawaii and need to prove
themselves,do you believe that either you are local or not or can one
be somewhere in between as in my case?
2. Suppose Hawaii became an independent country and you were an
immigration official in charge of deciding who among these two people
were more local, which one would you be willing to accept as more local
of the two:
1. A son of a mainland or Asian continent Billionaire who was born in
Hawaii when the family briefly was there for a few months on vacation
at their Kahala mansion ( which makes him meet the criteria of being
born in Hawaii.) Let us say he managed to attend Punaho high school for
a year ( He now meets the criteria of having gone to high school in
Hawaii). Yet his alliances, heritage, and culture are that of his
wealthy mainland or Asian continent family. He has no heritage
whatsoever that is Hawaii Local.
2. the Son of a Pinoy-Samoan couple that lived in a housing project in
Kalii, yet moved to Las Vegas out of necessity and had their son born
in Las Vegas ( The son was born in Las Vegas after the couple moved to
Las Vegas making him fail the criteria of being born in Hawaii).
However, this guy grows up in a community in Las Vegas that is heavily
"Hawaii local" in tradition, remains within the "ninth island"
subculture of Las Vegas, and travels every summer to be with Auntie in
Pearl City. Additionally, he is by definition raised by his dyed in the
wool Hawaii local parents, has "Hawaii local" tastes in food and
maintains strong ties to Hawaii. However, he actually goes to high
school in Las Vegas. As soon as he completes college, he moves to
Hawaii full time.
Of the two above people, which one do you think has a stronger claim to
the land of Hawaii? How would you feel about the first one identifying
as a Hawaii local and how would you feel about the second one
identifying as a Hawaii local?
Would you allow Keanu Reeves children ( who are Native
Hawaian and have more had more generations in Hawaii than many Hawaii locals) to identify as Hawaii locals or would you view them as
mainlanders trying to take over?
Would you view Barack Obama's children if they decided to try to move to Hawaii as adults as Hawaii locals or mainlanders trying to take over ( I think in this case, being the son of the most famous national Hawaii local figure, should make them at least semi-local)?
I know that I may be talkin stink, as they say, but I feel hurt that the ideology here is that either you are 100 percent a Hawaii local or a 100 percent outsider.
I just feel that even though I was not technically born and raised in Hawaii, that "Hawaii local" is a true part of my heritage.
Any thoughts would be tremendously appreciated.
Mahalo
Take a deep breath and relax. Aloha is a state of mind.
I just feel that even though I was not technically born and raised in Hawaii, that "Hawaii local" is a true part of my heritage.
Any thoughts would be tremendously appreciated.
If you stay Hawai'i and know "da kine", you one "local."
Folks that were born and raised in Hawai'i are "kama'āina." While most "kama'āina" are "locals", all locals aren't "kama'āina." In addition, folks can have Hawaiian ancestry and be neither "kama'āina" nor "local."
For instance, Keanu Reeves who has Hawaiian ancestry was born in Lebanon, possesses Canadian citizenship and lives in California is neither "kama'āina" nor "local." Barack Obama, who was born in Hawai'i is a "kama'āina", but he's an Illinois "local", not a Hawai'i "local." In contrast, Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, who was born in Indonesia is not a "kama'āina", but she's a Hawai'i "local" since she lives in Honolulu.
If you're Eurasian...Hoppa, keep your mouth shut and people will think you are a local. If you need to speak don't try to speak pidgin, it is SO easy to tell who doesn't know...or who is trying to learn and use it. In any case I don't see how being "local" helps anyone, if you have a hawaii state i.d. you get all the discounts for kamaaina. It sounds like you have a problem with the lack of respect for outsiders from locals...this is amusing because this happens everywhere, not just Hawaii. If I was to move to Dearborn, Michigan, people would perceive me as an outsider and not necessarily give me the same respect as a local of Dearborn.
My mom is from Hawaii, my father is not. I have my fathers white Irish skin. I have been back to Hawaii MANY times to visit family and just to vacation. I have been all over Hawaii, Oahu, Maui and Kauai. I don't look Hawaiian at all. I love to talk to lots of people when we are there. Yet, I have never experienced this racism. So, my thinking is that maybe it is all about attitude. While in Hawaii, put a smile on your face and have respect for the land and it's people. If you do that, I bet you won't have any problems!
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