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Old 05-09-2020, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Reservations for the beach? Interesting if it was implemented here

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/s...ons/index.html

"You make reservations at restaurants, sure. But how about booking in advance just to get a spot on the sand at the beach?

That's exactly what some beachgoers will have to do in Spain this summer, thanks to the coronavirus crisis.

Canet d'en Berenguer, a Mediterranean town located just north of Valencia, will only allow 5,000 daily sunbathers on its local beach, around half the usual number, in order to maintain social distancing.

These spaces will need to be reserved in advance via a mobile phone app."

 
Old 05-09-2020, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Originally Posted by whtviper1 View Post
I suspect resident quarantine lifted June 1 - non residents after July 4 or later.



That's actually the point



Perhaps being the most remote populated city on the planet?
So on July 4th, tourism will resume where it left off, with hotels and resorts packed with pent-up vacationers living it up at the beach, bars and restaurants?

Or will there be so many rules and regs that nobody will want to come, even at half price?

I have a real feeling that Hawaii screwed the pooch with this one, and the tourism economy will be devastated for years to come. When tourists are not made to feel welcome, then they'll go elsewhere - even long after this pandemic is over.

At least Florida is on the right track with this ...
 
Old 05-09-2020, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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So on July 4th, tourism will resume where it left off, with hotels and resorts packed with pent-up vacationers living it up at the beach, bars and restaurants?
Why would anyone think with US unemployment at 20% and the worldwide economy devastated that people actually think resorts anywhere will be packed. No cure and no vaccine. It will be a trickle at best.

Florida got it right? 1,700 deaths and counting as a write this - way to go Florida.
 
Old 05-09-2020, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Na'alehu Hawaii/Buena Vista Colorado
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I don't think that Hawaii "screwed the pooch". Look at the figures on how many people tested positive for the virus and how many deaths we've had. Very, very low, particularly on the Big Island. I feel safer here than anywhere on the mainland. The mandate to wear a mask to go into stores has been followed 100%.

Yes, the economy took a big hit, and many people are struggling. That's why there are so many food banks on all the islands giving away free food. But how soon do we want to welcome visitors back here, especially if they are coming from someplace where fewer than 50% bother to wear a mask?
 
Old 05-09-2020, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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Reservations for the beach? Interesting if it was implemented here..
Sounds like something Hawaii would do too. I guess it could make sense for areas that tend to be very crowded.

Trusting citizens to maintain physical distancing on their own would be preferable, IMO. Beaches are likely low risk places for contracting a virus.
 
Old 05-09-2020, 06:56 PM
 
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The only people who feel the 14-day quarantine on tourist arrivals is ridiculous are the tourists. Most residents don’t feel it’s ridiculous.

And most tourists who think it’s ridiculous are the selfish ones who want to do whatever they want, whenever they want, with disregard to other people or the rules in place to help protect everyone. Even with the quarantine you see people still trying to abuse it. Imagine if there was no quarantine there is no way you could enforce social distancing and still feed and house 50,000 tourists crammed into Waikiki every night.
Exactly.

Most residents seem to be in favor of releasing the stay at home orders for residents WAY before letting unwashed masses of tourists come again. At least with an open local economy, businesses could survive on life support. And I agree that the tourists who think the order is ridiculous is the LAST ones we'd want here because they're the type to ignore rules and signs.

Residents are going to want very limited amounts of tourists coming in until there's reasonable testing at the airports and/or effective virus treatments and vaccines.
 
Old 05-10-2020, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Exactly.

Most residents seem to be in favor of releasing the stay at home orders for residents WAY before letting unwashed masses of tourists come again. At least with an open local economy, businesses could survive on life support. And I agree that the tourists who think the order is ridiculous is the LAST ones we'd want here because they're the type to ignore rules and signs.

Residents are going to want very limited amounts of tourists coming in until there's reasonable testing at the airports and/or effective virus treatments and vaccines.
In that case, hope Hawaii enjoys its 40% unemployment rate for the 12-18 months, at least.
 
Old 05-10-2020, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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.. Imagine if there was no quarantine there is no way you could enforce social distancing and still feed and house 50,000 tourists crammed into Waikiki every night.
A very good point. The current tourism model for Waikiki is no longer workable in the near term.

Perhaps hotels could reduce allowable occupancy and restaurants do the same? Then there's the question if people will be willing to return to those jobs servicing tourists. In any case, consumer demand for visiting the islands will be greatly reduced, regardless of restrictions.

Alaska is in a similar situation, heavily dependent upon tourism with very little spread of the virus. I suspect we will go the other way and drop 14 day quarantine later this month. A few tourists will trickle in but not major numbers. There is less support for the quarantine here than in Hawaii, I believe.

Will it lead to a spike in illness? Hard to say, but my guess is that it won't be disastrous.
 
Old 05-10-2020, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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And only 2 weeks later - over 70,000
5 days later - over 80,000
 
Old 05-10-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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It's time to open up our state to tourism, we'll be fine. The peak of new infections was March 16th and 17th (per the DOH) and then dropped off rapidly. February arrivals were at 30,000 per day and started falling off mid March. On March 16th the arrivals were still at 20,485! Tourist from many hot spots around the world were already here. Up until late March the hotels, restaurants, public transit, beaches, shops were packed with tourists and locals.The beaches were crowded until they were shut down in April. For the most part, no one was wearing masks or social distancing and mingled together as usual. The 14 day quarantine for arrivals started on March 26th. The spread of the virus started to collapse on March 17 before any of the shut-down orders and mitigation efforts even began. It has more to do with the latitude and climate than anything else. Same with Hong Kong. The virus does not survive and transmit well with heat, humidity, high UV and airflow.
The shutdown is totally unsustainable and will cause misery and death far beyond what the virus can do. Think of the children and the massive debt and economic destruction we are leaving them.
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