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Great points. I am moving to Oahu, and am very sensitive to the fact that despite that fact the islands were taken by force by the USA many years ago, it's not truly my land except for the fact it was taken by force.
My belief system is against taking land and resources by force from anyone who had it first, be it Aztecs, Mayans, Apaches, Inuits, Hawaiians, Gauls, Bushmen, Vietnamese, or any other group that discovered it first.
I'm kind of a "finders keepers" belief guy. But also a realist, and not expecting the residents ( occupiers? ) of every country in the world to give back to the original owners overnight.
If the shoe was on the other foot, if I was a true native Hawaiian and had crowds of tourists come onto the beach or park outside my house every weekend, that generations ago were mine, or perhaps generations ago my people owned all of Waikiki and got pushed to the Makaha side 100 years ago (I must admit I know NOTHING about Hawaiian history, but am planning to study more) then I'd be a bit defensive and protectionist about trying to hold onto what little is left of mine.
I know this is a totally different topic than the original thread poster started so I apologize and I am going to shut up now!
Hmm, I think the Hawaiians took the islands away from the Micronesians who were here before them and seventy years ago, Waikiki was a swamp full of pig and duck farms. Makaha is gorgeous and hopefully they will keep it from becoming like Waikiki.
Great points. I am moving to Oahu, and am very sensitive to the fact that despite that fact the islands were taken by force by the USA many years ago, it's not truly my land except for the fact it was taken by force.
My belief system is against taking land and resources by force from anyone who had it first, be it Aztecs, Mayans, Apaches, Inuits, Hawaiians, Gauls, Bushmen, Vietnamese, or any other group that discovered it first.
I'm kind of a "finders keepers" belief guy. But also a realist, and not expecting the residents ( occupiers? ) of every country in the world to give back to the original owners overnight.
If the shoe was on the other foot, if I was a true native Hawaiian and had crowds of tourists come onto the beach or park outside my house every weekend, that generations ago were mine, or perhaps generations ago my people owned all of Waikiki and got pushed to the Makaha side 100 years ago (I must admit I know NOTHING about Hawaiian history, but am planning to study more) then I'd be a bit defensive and protectionist about trying to hold onto what little is left of mine.
I know this is a totally different topic than the original thread poster started so I apologize and I am going to shut up now!
Great points. I am moving to Oahu, and am very sensitive to the fact that despite that fact the islands were taken by force by the USA many years ago, it's not truly my land except for the fact it was taken by force.
My belief system is against taking land and resources by force from anyone who had it first, be it Aztecs, Mayans, Apaches, Inuits, Hawaiians, Gauls, Bushmen, Vietnamese, or any other group that discovered it first.
I'm kind of a "finders keepers" belief guy. But also a realist, and not expecting the residents ( occupiers? ) of every country in the world to give back to the original owners overnight.
If the shoe was on the other foot, if I was a true native Hawaiian and had crowds of tourists come onto the beach or park outside my house every weekend, that generations ago were mine, or perhaps generations ago my people owned all of Waikiki and got pushed to the Makaha side 100 years ago (I must admit I know NOTHING about Hawaiian history, but am planning to study more) then I'd be a bit defensive and protectionist about trying to hold onto what little is left of mine.
I know this is a totally different topic than the original thread poster started so I apologize and I am going to shut up now!
The Hawaiian population was pushed out and replaced by asians.
Asians are the majority by 2 to 1.
The Hawaiian population was pushed out and replaced by asians.
Asians are the majority by 2 to 1.
That's a little simplistic. Some of the Hawaiian population mixed with the Asian settler population. There's a pretty large population of Hawaiians that have Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Filipino ancestry.
That's a little simplistic. Some of the Hawaiian population mixed with the Asian settler population. There's a pretty large population of Hawaiians that have Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and Filipino ancestry.
My nieces and nephew are part Filipino (and all the rest of our crazy mixed up ancestry!) and once when we (my Sis & her kids , me and my boys) were running an errand.
A Filipino man stopped by and asked if we were Filipino and my son piped up with a very loud "Yes, WE are!"; my Sis and I had to stop laughing before we could explain to him that his cousins were Filipino - he was not (looks VERY Haole).
He couldn't understand WHY he and his brother were not Filipino like his cousins.
It would be really nice if adults could think like children...
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