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You have posted relentlessly how personal immunity has no bearing on who gets sick and how the only thing that keeps people healthy is vaccines. That building up your immune system is a worthless and useless task because, well, you can't, because there is no way to ever make an immune system strong, and everyone's system is exactly the same, immunodeficiency plays no part in health. I can't even count how many times you've posted that.
So bacteria on a buffet -- which could be anything because of all the handling and interactions with many, many people -- is OK for you your body to defend against? But other places where the same bacteria are, well, no you need a vaccine?? Get your stories straight. Or maybe there is a food poisoning vaccine coming out? After all according to the CDC, almost 1 in 3 Americans have food poisoning every year. About 3000 people die every year from food poisoning: sounds like a horrific epidemic -- aren't you alarmed??? /eyeroll/
you've clearly misunderstood more than just this post of hers.
When I first went overseas, I learned the safest place to eat were the little streetside grills. If you could watch the guy take it right off the fire, sizzling, you could eat it.
I pity the poor sap who lives their life in fear of things like salads because some attorney who makes millions off food poisoning says so.
Yes, I would consult a food scientist over an attorney any day. Now if I wanted/needed legal help, I'd contact an attorney, not a food scientist. This list is from Australia but is the best one I found: https://www.foodsafety.com.au/resour...food-poisoning Poultry, Eggs, Leafy Greens and Vegetables, Raw Milk, Cheese, Sprouts, Seafood, Rice, Deli Meats, Fruit.
The only cross-over is the salads. Those are probably the items he has received the largest number of settlements for, but has not much to do with science.
I recall reading one time that many cases of "flu" over the holidays (Thanksgiving - New Years) are actually food poisoning due to improperly prepared/stored food. And I recall very well a picnic my health department office had where several people got food poisoning from the chicken, I believe. The next inservice was about. . . food poisoning.
I worked where there was a soft serve ice cream machine. It cleaned itself nightly and was also taken apart once a week and cleaned by some contractor.
A lot of FP cases are caused by viruses, like noro. Someone contagious making/ handling your food and you ingesting the contaminated food. That's what I learned in a food safety course anyway.
When I first went overseas, I learned the safest place to eat were the little streetside grills. If you could watch the guy take it right off the fire, sizzling, you could eat it.
I think the safest is soups, since everything they throw into a hot enough liquid is going to be brought up to and held at a temperature that kills/inhibits bacteria.
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I worked where there was a soft serve ice cream machine. It cleaned itself nightly and was also taken apart once a week and cleaned by some contractor.
I remember when I was 16 working at a fast food restaurant there was a cheese pump dealie that was supposed to be disassembled and cleaned every night. Being a lazy 16 year old I would instead just run water into it and keep pumping until it came out pretty clear instead of bright orange.
You have posted relentlessly how personal immunity has no bearing on who gets sick and how the only thing that keeps people healthy is vaccines. That building up your immune system is a worthless and useless task because, well, you can't, because there is no way to ever make an immune system strong, and everyone's system is exactly the same, immunodeficiency plays no part in health. I can't even count how many times you've posted that.
So bacteria on a buffet -- which could be anything because of all the handling and interactions with many, many people -- is OK for you your body to defend against? But other places where the same bacteria are, well, no you need a vaccine?? Get your stories straight. Or maybe there is a food poisoning vaccine coming out? After all according to the CDC, almost 1 in 3 Americans have food poisoning every year. About 3000 people die every year from food poisoning: sounds like a horrific epidemic -- aren't you alarmed??? /eyeroll/
Yes, you are really confused. There is no one cause of "food poisoning" so there will never be a "food poisoning vaccine". There are no vaccines for the most common causes of foodborne illness in the US: Salmonella, Norovirus (Norwalk Virus), Campylobacter, E. coli, Listeria, and Clostridium perfringens (which causes botulism).
There are a couple of norovirus vaccines are in the pipeline and there is ongoing research on botulism, campylobacter, enterotoxigenic E. coli, and salmonella. There is an antitoxin for botulism, but it is extremely expensive.
I have no idea what you mean by "other places where the same bacteria are".
I have never said that "personal immunity has no bearing on who gets sick and how the only thing that keeps people healthy is vaccines" or that "everyone's system is exactly the same, immunodeficiency plays no part in health." Please feel free to link to any post I have made that says that.
Obviously, people who are immunocompromised are more susceptible to infections. That includes people who are on immune-suppressing drugs and the elderly. Listeria can be dangerous in pregnancy.
What I have said is that there are no specific foods or supplements that can "build up" your immune system. There are not. You can have an ideal diet (however you personally define that), exercise every day, and still catch an infection.
Yes, 3000 deaths per year are a tragedy. Do you not think so?
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you've clearly misunderstood more than just this post of hers.
I remember when I was 16 working at a fast food restaurant there was a cheese pump dealie that was supposed to be disassembled and cleaned every night. Being a lazy 16 year old I would instead just run water into it and keep pumping until it came out pretty clear instead of bright orange.
Yeah, if left to kids it probably won't get done as it should. I remember the OJ machine was always gross inside for the same reason lol They actually got rid of it and only serve little bottles of OJ now.
The one time I've had food poisoning was from eating a grilled chicken sandwich. I was sick in bed and I don't think I ate anything solid for the next 5 days after that. I always assumed it was from the chicken, but maybe it was the lettuce all along!
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