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Old 08-16-2018, 10:59 AM
 
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Interesting Read~ I do believe our food is the leading cause of obesity!

We’re in a new age of obesity. How did it happen? You’d be surprised...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people
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Old 08-16-2018, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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Interesting Read~ I do believe our food is the leading cause of obesity!

We’re in a new age of obesity. How did it happen? You’d be surprised...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people
From the article:
"...food companies have invested heavily in designing products that use sugar to bypass our natural appetite control mechanisms, and in packaging and promoting these products to break down what remains of our defences, including through the use of subliminal scents. They employ an army of food scientists and psychologists to trick us into eating more than we need, while their advertisers use the latest findings in neuroscience to overcome our resistance."

Not just people, but pets too. I have visited four homes homes recently with cats. Giant, fat cats that barely moved. And these were common cats -- Tabbies, etc. --not Maine Coons (which are larger than normal).

I had cats growing up and one, we thought, was overweight. However, she was slim compared to these monsters. Animals generally do not overeat so it is obviously something in their food.
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:19 PM
 
Location: SoCal again
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"It’s not that we’re eating more, that we exercise less, or that we lack willpower. The shaming of overweight people has to stop"


I call out BS.


- people with self- discipline can be slim
- we drive more, walk less
- eating more and eating more of the bad stuff
- portions are bigger
- cooking less, eating more out
- more crappy food choices
- better advertisement of crappy food
- telling people it is ok to be huge leads to more people to be big.
- no war that makes food scarce
- not much manual labor anymore
- too many all you can eat buffets
- too many accommodations for the big - bigger cars/chairs/beds/clothes/even coffins!
- sizes get adjusted, people who used to be XXL are now L so they get delusional about their weight.
- bad food choices in schools and kindergartens
- wife's don't stay home anymore and cook healthy - everyone works, is overworked, has no time to cook
- people work too much, no time to exercise
- too many channels on tv, you'll never run out of stuff to watch
- videogames instead of playing outside, burning calories
- technology overall - you don't even have to get up to go somewhere, you can socialize online and buy everything you need.
- doctors don't tell people anymore when they get too big so they are in denial.
- everyone is on some sort of pain/depression/anxiety pills that make you retain water


... and so on ...
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Old 08-16-2018, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Fairfax, VA
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- people with self- discipline can be slim

It all comes down to this. Many people do not have that type of self discipline. They will obey traffic laws and not commit crimes, but when it comes to food they can be quite weak.
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Old 08-16-2018, 05:54 PM
 
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"It’s not that we’re eating more, that we exercise less, or that we lack willpower. The shaming of overweight people has to stop"


I call out BS.


- people with self- discipline can be slim
- we drive more, walk less
- eating more and eating more of the bad stuff
- portions are bigger
- cooking less, eating more out
- more crappy food choices
- better advertisement of crappy food
- telling people it is ok to be huge leads to more people to be big.
- no war that makes food scarce
- not much manual labor anymore
- too many all you can eat buffets
- too many accommodations for the big - bigger cars/chairs/beds/clothes/even coffins!
- sizes get adjusted, people who used to be XXL are now L so they get delusional about their weight.
- bad food choices in schools and kindergartens
- wife's don't stay home anymore and cook healthy - everyone works, is overworked, has no time to cook
- people work too much, no time to exercise
- too many channels on tv, you'll never run out of stuff to watch
- videogames instead of playing outside, burning calories
- technology overall - you don't even have to get up to go somewhere, you can socialize online and buy everything you need.
- doctors don't tell people anymore when they get too big so they are in denial.
- everyone is on some sort of pain/depression/anxiety pills that make you retain water


... and so on ...
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:12 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Don't make it any more complicated than it really is:


Nixon (early '70s) tried to buy farm state votes with tax money: he started the direct payment programs that benefitted farmers for years + the coincidental "Green Revolution" of Borlaug greatly increased farm production. That kept food process low.


At the same time the USDA started promoting The Food Pyramid: more grains & less meat. American meat consumption has been on the decline ever since, while junk foods (carbs) have been plentiful & inexpensive.


The real physiological function of insulin is to turn carbs in the diet into fat and to prevent burning fat for energy production. More carbs = more obesity.


While exercise enters into it, it's not an important part in obesity-- b*lls out activity for one hour only burns 450 cals; one Big Mac is 600 cals. You can't exercise yourself into skinny-- you gotta eat less carbs.
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Old 08-16-2018, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Don't make it any more complicated than it really is:


Nixon (early '70s) tried to buy farm state votes with tax money: he started the direct payment programs that benefitted farmers for years + the coincidental "Green Revolution" of Borlaug greatly increased farm production. That kept food process low.


At the same time the USDA started promoting The Food Pyramid: more grains & less meat. American meat consumption has been on the decline ever since, while junk foods (carbs) have been plentiful & inexpensive.


The real physiological function of insulin is to turn carbs in the diet into fat and to prevent burning fat for energy production. More carbs = more obesity.


While exercise enters into it, it's not an important part in obesity-- b*lls out activity for one hour only burns 450 cals; one Big Mac is 600 cals. You can't exercise yourself into skinny-- you gotta eat less carbs.
That's some pretty mild balls out activity. Median marathon time is more around 575 calories an hour, and marathons aren't a balls out activity. Anyone that can run the US median marathon time of 4:22 can go a lot harder for an hour than than they can for four hours. Median 10K pace, a less elite pool than marathon runners, is 8:50 mile pace. Median marathon pace is 10:00 mile.

That's not the point of insulin. The point of insulin is to control blood sugar.
It's not just carbs. Protein is also highly insulinogenic. The thing that isn't is fat, but that's just because fat can pass so easily in and out of cells. Excess protein is simply converted to either fat or glucose where it ultimately ends up in the same place any other excess macro nutrient ends up. Fat.

Americans do not have declining meat consumption. We eat more meat than ever. What we have declining consumption of is red meat, beef and pork. That decline in red meat has been far more than exceeded by increasing consumption of other types of meat, mostly chicken. The only period that wasn't true was the "great recession." It's all economics. The reason we eat less beef and pork is beef and pork are expensive. Chicken is cheaper so we eat more of that. It's the same reason we, briefly, ate less meat during the recession. The food pyramid is not that problem. The problem is we eat too much food and eat too much of the top of the pyramid, junk food. That doesn't have anything to do with obesity but it's not healthy. Obesity is simply a result of eating too much.

The only thing sort of true is that it's very difficult to out run your fork. The fork side of the equations is always going to be the more important one for weight loss than exercise as it's a lot harder to run a marathon than eat the 2,200 - 3,000 or so calories you might burn if you ran one.

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Old 08-16-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Here is the thing, most healthy people do not eat that kind of food. Prepackaged food and fast food are dietary poison. If the food you are eating has an ingredients list with a bunch of words you can't pronounce then you need to maybe re evaluate your diet. Sure in moderation fast food is okay and so are prepackaged foods. But when people eat these foods at the exclusion of fresh foods they are going to be terribly unhealthy and more than likely fat.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Here is the thing, most healthy people do not eat that kind of food. Prepackaged food and fast food are dietary poison. If the food you are eating has an ingredients list with a bunch of words you can't pronounce then you need to maybe re evaluate your diet. Sure in moderation fast food is okay and so are prepackaged foods. But when people eat these foods at the exclusion of fresh foods they are going to be terribly unhealthy and more than likely fat.
Mostly that's just selection bias. The people that mostly eat unhealthy foods are just also very likely to eat too much food. It's not that unhealthy food making them fat. It's the amount of it they eat. E.g., twinkie diet. Great weight loss food. Inexpensive, convenient, very easy to tell how many calories you're eating versus fresh food so there's no need to worry about inadvertently eating too many calories because of underestimating portion size.

That doesn't mean it's healthy though. It's an extreme example of the fact that people who incorporate prepackaged foods do better at losing weight and keeping it off. It has nothing to do with that they're healthier. It's just more selection bias because you're only comparing people who are actually dieting as opposed to just the general population that eschews fresh food for the convenience of Hungry Man frozen diners.
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Old 08-16-2018, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Wine Country
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Mostly that's just selection bias. The people that mostly eat unhealthy foods are just also very likely to eat too much food. It's not that unhealthy food making them fat. It's the amount of it they eat. E.g., twinkie diet. Great weight loss food. Inexpensive, convenient, very easy to tell how many calories you're eating versus fresh food so there's no need to worry about inadvertently eating too many calories because of underestimating portion size.

That doesn't mean it's healthy though. It's an extreme example of the fact that people who incorporate prepackaged foods do better at losing weight and keeping it off. It has nothing to do with that they're healthier. It's just more selection bias because you're only comparing people who are actually dieting as opposed to just the general population that eschews fresh food for the convenience of Hungry Man frozen diners.
Well being healthy is being at a healthy weight, and I am not arguing that they are not overeating, obviously they are. And I am not referring to people who are actually dieting that are eating healthy foods. Its common knowledge that fresh foods are healthier. Lots of people choose to eat that way regardless of a diet.
I am not sure what you are trying to rebut or say.
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