Coronavirus is No 1918 Pandemic (infect, treat, viruses, salt)

[MissTerri]

Originally Posted by markg91359

In some ways we are better prepared than we were in 1918, but its a mistake to downplay a disease the way you are trying to downplay coronavirus.

First, let's start with the number of Americans who died in the Great Influenza of 1918. There were 650,000 deaths in a country of about 100 million people. The population of the USA has tripled since 1918. Three times 650,000 is 1.95 million people. Even if we assume medical care is better and many of these deaths would be prevented, we could still have a huge number of fatalities because far more people are likely to be exposed.

Antibiotics would reduce the death total that resulted in 1918 from secondary bacteria infections that lead to pneumonia. However, most of the deaths from the flu didn't occur from pneumonia, they occurred from the immune response that particularly younger people had to a very virulent flu virus. Antibiotics are ineffective against viruses.

Another myth is that people in 1918 were ignorant. In fact, medicine had come to understand the role that bacteria played in causing illness. As a result, hygienic practices had been developed in and out of hospitals. Effective vaccines existed to prevent diptheria and much of the pneumonia that was present. It was understood that simple practices like having soldiers positioned next to each other with one soldier's head positioned on a cot next to another soldiers's feet (rather than his head) prevented much illness among those in the military. In 1880, it was a different situation. However, by 1918 medicine had made considerable strides.

An influenza today has much potential to kill tens of thousands. Yes, we have more ability to treat such a disease, but it is nothing to be cavalier about.

I am not trying to downplay coronavirus by sharing this article. It’s a look back at our history and what we have learned since then. And we’ve learned a lot. I shared it because I found it to be interesting, not with any nefarious intentions of trying to downplay the current virus. That is all.

[Elliott_CA]

Back to 1918 vs 2020: in 1918 most died from flu-induced pneumonia because they didn't have antibiotics or ventilators then. As many have pointed out, the worst case scenario for 2020 is an overwhelmed medical system. Modern technology can't help you if you are unable to access it because all of the hospital beds are taken.

Pessimistic forecasts for COVID-19 are around 500k to 1M deaths in the US, on par with the 675,000 killed in the US in 1918. But the total US population was much smaller then, so that would mean COVID-19 would have a per capita death rate of about one third of the 1918 pandemic.

[MissTerri]

Originally Posted by Elliott_CA

Back to 1918 vs 2020: in 1918 most died from flu-induced pneumonia because they didn't have antibiotics or ventilators then. As many have pointed out, the worst case scenario for 2020 is an overwhelmed medical system. Modern technology can't help you if you are unable to access it because all of the hospital beds are taken.

Yep. Today we can use antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections and you’re right, even though we have more modern tools at our disposal such as machines that help people breathe, etc. some will not have access to those treatments due to simple supply and demand.

Pessimistic forecasts for COVID-19 are around 500k to 1M deaths in the US, on par with the 675,000 killed in the US in 1918. But the total US population was much smaller then, so that would mean COVID-19 would have a per capita death rate of about one third of the 1918 pandemic.

There are so many unknowns with this virus due to it being so new. For instance we may not have an accurate count of cases when we know many are asymptomatic so calculations concerning death rate are all over the place. It could be higher or lower. The unknowns seem to be the biggest driver for the panic that we’re seeing play out.

Thank for you discussing the topic of the thread!

[MissTerri]

This article also talked about how the flu was treated in 1918, since the source of my article has been questioned. Just sharing for those who are interested, Interesting history and interesting treatment methods. We have come a long way.

Enemas. Mercury. Tree bark. Bloodletting. These were some of the medical interventions doctors used during the 1918 flu pandemic. Methods to boggle your mind and turn your stomach. Bloodletting, the practice of draining the body of blood—and therefore, in theory, of toxins and disease—was mainstream medical practice for more than 2,000 years. Remarkably, it was still used to treat patients with flu. British doctors bled patients when influenza swept through their army camps with catastrophic results. “So far,” they wrote, “we have been unable to find anything that has any real influence on the course of the disease.”

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...-have-we-come/

[Hyperthetic]

I don't remember reading where any World Leaders or Oligarchs got succumbed to the 1918 Kansan Flu.

Were there any hierarchy protections?

[cremebrulee]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Do contact the CDC.

They did start screening people arriving from China early on.

I prefer "evidence based" to "common sense".

well, they could screen people today, set them free and in 12 days, the symptoms start showing, in the meantime, in those 12 days everyone they came in contact with are now infected...

doesn't make sense....

[cremebrulee]

Originally Posted by TimAZ

We are in the same situation as Italy, the case numbers aren’t apparent yet because the community outbreaks have a delay of 1-2 weeks. Testing in the U.S. has only just started. I’m sure we’re going to see dramatic increases in the numbers of isolated cases, and these will be followed by localized community outbreaks. That is when the mass quarantines will have to start to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

well, hopefully the U.S. is learning, as they are shutting down areas here that are hard hit...and even in areas that it hasn't reached yet. So, that's a start....

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Hyperthetic

I don't remember reading where any World Leaders or Oligarchs got succumbed to the 1918 Kansan Flu.

Were there any hierarchy protections?

Here is a long list of "famous" people who died from it, plus the King of Spain was gravely ill. Leaders in bold (mine)
Purple-Trump family member
Green-athletes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_flu_cases

Fatalities

Listed alphabetically by surname

Johnny Aitken, American auto racer, lead first lap of the first Indianapolis 500 (October 15, 1918)
Turki I bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, eldest son of Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia (1919)
Francisco de Paula Rodrigues Alves, Brazilian re-elected president, died before taking office (January 16, 1919)[6]
Robert Anderson, Scotland Yard official (November 15, 1918)
Guillaume Apollinaire, French poet (November 9, 1918)
Felix Arndt, American pianist (October 16, 1918)
Dudley John Beaumont, husband of the Dame of Sark (November 24, 1918)[7]
Louis Botha, first Prime Minister of the Union of South Africa (August 27, 1919)[8]
Randolph Bourne, American progressive writer and public intellectual, (December 22, 1918)[9]
Amadeo de Souza Cardoso, Portuguese painter, (October 25, 1918)
Ivan Cankar, Slovenian Writer, (December 11, 1918)
Kate Carmack, founder of the Klondike Gold Rush (March 29, 1920)
Larry Chappell, American baseball player, (November 8, 1918)
Rose Cleveland, First Lady of the United States of America, sister of President Grover Cleveland (November 22, 1918)
Carrie Cornplanter, Native American artist and descendant of diplomat Cornplanter (late 1918)
Gaby Deslys, French actress and dancer (February 11, 1920)
Anton Dilger, medical doctor, mastermind of Germany's World War I secret bioterror sabotage
John Francis Dodge (January 14, 1920), American automobile manufacturing pioneer
Horace Elgin Dodge (December 10, 1920), American automobile manufacturing pioneer
"Admiral" Dot (October 28, 1918), American circus performer under P. T. Barnum[10]
Angus Douglas, Scottish international footballer, (December 14, 1918)
Charles A. Doyen, United States Marine Corps brigadier general (October 6, 1918)
George Freeth, father of modern surfing and lifeguard (April 7, 1919)
Harold Gilman, British painter (February 12, 1919)
Henry G. Ginaca, American engineer, inventor of the Ginaca machine (October 19, 1918)
Myrtle Gonzalez, American film actress (October 22, 1918)[9]
Edward Kidder Graham, President of the University of North Carolina (October 26, 1918)
Charles Tomlinson Griffes, American composer (April 8, 1920)
Eremia Grigorescu, Romanian General during World War I (July 21, 1919)
Wilhelm Gross, Austrian mathematician (October 22, 1918)
Sophie Halberstadt-Freud, daughter of Austrian psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud, (1920)
Joe Hall, Montreal Canadiens ice hockey defenceman, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame (April 6, 1919)
Alfred Hindmarsh, New Zealand Labour Party leader, lawyer and politician.
Phoebe Hearst, mother of William Randolph Hearst, (April 13, 1919)
William F. Hooley, member of the U.S. singing group of the 1910s, the American Quartet.
Shelley Hull, American stage actor, (January 14, 1919)
Margit Kaffka, Hungarian writer and poet, (December 1, 1918)
Joseph Kaufman, American actor and film director, (February 1, 1918)
Lyman W.V. Kennon, American brigadier general (September 9, 1918)
Vera Kholodnaya, Russian actress (February 16, 1919)
Gustav Klimt, Austrian painter, (February 6, 1918)
Bohumil Kubišta, Czech painter, (November 27, 1918)
Gilda Langer, German actress, (January 31, 1920)
Hans E. Lau, Danish astronomer, (October 16, 1918)[9]
Julian L'Estrange[11] English stage and screen actor (October 22, 1918)
Ruby Lindsay, Australian illustrator and painter, (March 12, 1919)
Harold Lockwood, American silent film star, (October 19, 1918)[10]
Rosalia Lombardo, Italian daughter of General Lombardo (December 6, 1920)
Francisco Marto, Portuguese Fátima child (April 4, 1919)
Jacinta Marto, Portuguese Fátima child (February 20, 1920)
Alan Arnett McLeod, Canadian soldier and Victoria Cross recipient, (6 November 1918)
Dan McMichael, manager of Scottish association football club Hibernian (1919)
Leon Morane, French aircraft company founder and pre-World War I aviator (October 20, 1918)
William Francis Murray, postmaster of Boston and former U.S. Representative (September 21, 1918)
William Osler, Canadian physician, co founder of Johns Hopkins Hospital, (December 29, 1919)
Ōyama Sutematsu, first Japanese woman to receive a college degree (February, 1919)
Hubert Parry, British composer, (October 7, 1918)
Niko Pirosmani, Georgian naïve painter (April 9, 1918)
Henry Ragas, American pianist of the Original Dixieland Jass Band, (February 18, 1919)
Stephen Sydney Reynolds, English writer, (February 14, 1919)
William Leefe Robinson, British Victoria Cross recipient, (December 31, 1918)
Edmond Rostand, French dramatist, best known for his play Cyrano de Bergerac, (December 2, 1918)
Morton Schamberg, American modernist artist in 1918.
Egon Schiele, Austrian painter (October 31, 1918, Vienna)[12]
Reggie Schwarz, South African cricketer and rugby player (November 18, 1918)[9]
Hamby Shore, Canadian ice hockey player (October 13, 1918)
Robert W. Speer, mayor of Denver (May 14, 1918)
Walter Stradling, English born cinematographer (July 1918)
ʻAnaseini Takipō, Queen Dowager of Tonga (November 26, 1918) [13]
Willard Dickerman Straight, American investment banker, publisher, reporter, Army Reserve officer and diplomat (December 1, 1918)
Yakov Sverdlov, Bolshevik party leader and official of the Russian Republic established by the February 1917 Revolution (March 16, 1919)
Mark Sykes, British politician and diplomat, body exhumed 2008 for scientific research (February 16, 1919)
Dark Cloud (actor), aka Elijah Tahamont, American Indian actor, in Los Angeles (1918)
Frederick Trump, German–American businessman and patriarch of the Trump family (May 30, 1918)
Prince Umberto, Count of Salemi, member of the Italian royal family, (October 19, 1918)
Prince Erik, Duke of Västmanland (Erik Gustav Ludvig Albert Bernadotte), Prince of Sweden (September 20, 1918)
William Walker, English diver (1918)
King Watzke, American violinist and bandleader, (1920)[9]
Max Weber, German political economist and sociologist (June 14, 1920)
David Franklin Williams, father of American film actress, Myrna Loy (November 1918)
Bill Yawkey, Major League Baseball executive and owner of the Detroit Tigers, in Augusta, Georgia, US (March 5, 1919)
Ella Flagg Young, American educator (October 26, 1918)

[TwoByFour]

Originally Posted by Elliott_CA

Pessimistic forecasts for COVID-19 are around 500k to 1M deaths in the US, on par with the 675,000 killed in the US in 1918.

Pessimistic? More like made-up. We have no idea how this will unfold. It could be way more or way less. But one thing worth noting is that Hubei province has 60 million people and less than 4000 deaths and those are leveling off. The US will do whatever is necessary and if we go to the same lengths as Hubei did, I would expect numbers similar to Hubei numbers, which is less than 20,000.

[thinkalot]

Originally Posted by ocean777

If they had made every person in the world wear masks & possibly gloves from day 1 the virus would have been wiped out in a few days. It was so simple but they are so stupid. Now we have people walking through crowds breathing the virus onto thousands of people. One $2 mask would save all those lives. At least this has all proved that there is no intelligent life on earth

A mask doesn't protect you from germs. It keeps your germs from spreading.