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Immune system...yep. How on earth did we manage to survive before Purell made hand santizers available to the general public in the late 1980s.
He stated why present crisis excepted. Perhaps it's because "over-indulgence may actually be weakening the effectiveness of our immune systems" so now you need it.
Yep a novel coronavirus hitherto never seen by mankind with no immunity possible spread primarily by airborne means and affecting primarily the pulmonary system is ONLY a problem because.....hand sanitizers....
Guys let's just stop washing our hands altogether. And let's stop taking showers because these are obviously killing all the necessary bacteria to make our immune systems thrive. Instead we should go find piles of mud outdoors and bathe in these, as this would very likely be optimally germy for our immune systems, according to basic evolutionary biology. Duh.
Wow...the ignorance is unbelievable.....around this topic...
You REALLY just don't get it and don't understand at all what you are talking about....
So you never touch door handles, shopping carts etc...there are dozens of times a day when someone may need
hand sanitizer may be of use
It is beyond belief that anyone could be so clueless as to think you can wipe all the germs off of anything, be it door handles, shopping carts, or any part of yourself. And then have the unmitigated gall to tell anyone who does understand nature's design for combating pathogens that they don't know what they're talking about.
If you were on the Titanic, you would still have a bucket in your hand standing on the rail of the stern desperately trying to bail out the ship as the last 20 ft remaining above the surface disappeared, taking you with it. Your irrational obsession with wiping germs off of everything and that bucket have equal effectiveness.
But believing the nonsense about wiping germs away keeping you healthy is not why you made the argument. Because you don't believe it....any more than I do. You made the argument for its own sake. Because that is what you do. That is what you come here to do. And have been doing for many years.
You do nothing here but attack and disrupt at every opportunity, so you're still having an account is likely owed to most members feeling straitjacketed and helpless to speak up in the face of your attacks. In my forum, your last post would have been 5 years ago, at least.
Yep a novel coronavirus hitherto never seen by mankind with no immunity possible spread primarily by airborne means and affecting primarily the pulmonary system is ONLY a problem because.....hand sanitizers....
Got it
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Originally Posted by Shalop
Guys let's just stop washing our hands altogether. And let's stop taking showers because these are obviously killing all the necessary bacteria to make our immune systems thrive. Instead we should go find piles of mud outdoors and bathe in these, as this would very likely be optimally germy for our immune systems, according to basic evolutionary biology. Duh.
Such hyperbole from both of you. This thread is not about sanitizing, it's about over-sanitizing. I think you both know that, but have an agenda.
There is no danger of people "oversanitizing" for Covid-19.
Source? The CDC and other health authorities recommend washing hands with soap and water, and to use sanitizer if those aren't available. Why would they recommend handwashing if over-sanitizing is better? Are conspiracy sites recommending over-sanitizing?
This thread isn't about covid19 either, by the way.
Source? The CDC and other health authorities recommend washing hands with soap and water, and to use sanitizer if those aren't available. Why would they recommend handwashing if over-sanitizing is better? Are conspiracy sites recommending over-sanitizing?
This thread isn't about covid19 either, by the way.
Last things first, I'm not sure what this thread is about, this is, what its purpose is. In the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, which is getting worse every day, the OP posts about the "hygiene hypothesis" which, after 31 years, is still a hypothesis and not a theory (as in theory of gravity, germ theory, etc, that is, an accepted set of facts). There is much disagreement about it, and as several of us have posted: "The hygiene hypothesis is a 'dangerous misnomer which is misleading people away from finding the true causes of these rises in allergic disease,' says Sally Bloomfield, chair of the International Scientific Forum on Home Hygiene and an honorary professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. 'I’ve even seen things in the media saying we shouldn’t wash our hands. What the hell are they talking about?'” (Op cit)
Then you beg the question, referring to "over-sanitizing" which no one except the OP and his/her followers think is an issue. The CDC has said that washing one's hands with soap and water is preferable to using hand sanitizer. It has not addressed anyone "over-sanitizing" anything, hands or otherwise. We have all heard stories about people using public restrooms and not washing their hands. Lord knows what these people do at home, if this is what they do when others can observe them. https://www.thecut.com/2020/03/69-of...-bathroom.html "Well, here’s an incredibly not-nice statistic: Apparently, 69 percent of men don’t wash their hands after using a public bathroom.
At least, that’s according to 2009 study cited by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention in the institute’s online guide to the “corporate activity” of handwashing, a basic hygienic practice that’s receiving quite a bit of attention amid the rapid spread of coronavirus. In comparison, the same study found that 35 percent of women don’t wash their hands after using public bathroom — certainly not great, but not nearly as egregious."
I don't think there's a problem with anyone overusing and form of handcleaning, except for perhaps the OCD.
And how the hell would I know what the conspiracy sites say?
It is beyond belief that anyone could be so clueless as to think you can wipe all the germs off of anything, be it door handles, shopping carts, or any part of yourself. And then have the unmitigated gall to tell anyone who does understand nature's design for combating pathogens that they don't know what they're talking about.
It's been studied. Using an alcohol based hand sanitizer can inactivate SARS-CoV-1 below detectable limits. Would that 100% guarantee not passing it to someone else? No, but it massively reduces the risk.
"All four alcohol-based hand rubs led to inactivation of SARS-CoV to below the limit of detection (RF≥4.3, SD 0.5 to ≥5.5, SD 0.5), irrespective of the presence and type of organic load, within 30 s[econds]."
"The use of alcohol-based hand rubs after contamination of the hands with SARS-CoV, e.g. by respiratory secretions during patient contact, should be effective to prevent further transmission of SARS-CoV by healthcare workers' hands."
The same article addresses environmental decontamination.
Source? The CDC and other health authorities recommend washing hands with soap and water, and to use sanitizer if those aren't available. Why would they recommend handwashing if over-sanitizing is better? Are conspiracy sites recommending over-sanitizing?
This thread isn't about covid19 either, by the way.
How do you define "over-sanitizing" and why is more frequent handwashing not also "over-sanitizing"?
The thread was started in response to the COVID-19 issue and you know it.
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