Vaccine warning from Norwegian Medicine - seniors in poor health at risk. (surgery, symptoms)
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But maybe for the frail terminally ill who are just hanging on by a thread, fever and nausea could push them over the edge.
Precisely. On average, in the US we have about 2.8 MILLION deaths per year from all causes. It's reasonable to conclude that at any given time, there will be a couple hundred thousand hanging on by a thread, and almost anything could push them over the edge. Of course, that includes coronavirus.
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I agree with the article that said that if a person is already very old, frail, and terminally ill, a vaccination is not worth it. You're not going to escape whatever is making you terminally ill by getting a Covid vaccine. More likely the side effects will just hasten the end.
A couple of days ago there was an obituary in our local paper which stated that the individual who had died had suffered from advanced Alzheimer's disease for years and was on hospice care (meaning that her life expectancy was at most a few months), but "Covid ended her life prematurely." Maybe Covid in this case was a blessing.
Here in Nevada, if you die of "natural causes" (e.g., not via gunshot wound to the head), and if you've tested positive for Covid in the past 30 days, the Cause of Death is officially recorded as Covid.
Here in Nevada, if you die of "natural causes" (e.g., not via gunshot wound to the head), and if you've tested positive for Covid in the past 30 days, the Cause of Death is officially recorded as Covid.
This includes the hospice scenario you describe.
Oh, it would be the same in California. You can be terminally ill and on hospice, but if you get Covid and die, they will definitely say that Covid was the cause and that you would have lived another few days or week without it.
Actually, I don't have a problem with that (I do have a problem with saying that Covid was the cause if someone tested positive but had no/few symptoms and actually did die of something else). What struck me as weird was the implication, in the obituary I quoted, that it was a bad thing that Covid quickly took the life of an advanced Alzheimer's patient on hospice. I can't see that as a bad thing. My mom had Lewy Body dementia and lived for years in a nursing home, unable to move or communicate. All of us would have welcomed a quick respiratory illness that mercifully ended her suffering in a few days.
I'm debating whether to send the articles to my son's grandmother who's about 88 now. As far as I know she's pretty healthy, I think she may be diabetic. She can't wait to get the vaccine, told me she would be lining up as soon as her group is called. I wish I knew more about the Norway deaths.
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Originally Posted by saibot
Oh, it would be the same in California. You can be terminally ill and on hospice, but if you get Covid and die, they will definitely say that Covid was the cause and that you would have lived another few days or week without it.
Actually, I don't have a problem with that (I do have a problem with saying that Covid was the cause if someone tested positive but had no/few symptoms and actually did die of something else). What struck me as weird was the implication, in the obituary I quoted, that it was a bad thing that Covid quickly took the life of an advanced Alzheimer's patient on hospice. I can't see that as a bad thing. My mom had Lewy Body dementia and lived for years in a nursing home, unable to move or communicate. All of us would have welcomed a quick respiratory illness that mercifully ended her suffering in a few days.
I can't see that as a bad thing either, maybe they've never seen anyone die. Death sucks as they try to get air into their lungs until they finally stop trying.
I hope my soul sisters husband (late 60's) has a similar result from the vaccine because some how he's managed to not get COVID the few times it's been in his nursing home. He's been thought to die in days about 10 times now in the last 2 years. He has late stage Parkinson's, is in very bad shape, has a DNR, yet they're still going to waste a vaccine on him even with a DNR.
She has a father in Connecticut with dementia, cancer, diabetic and who knows what else. He also has a DNR. Some how he's also managed to not get COVID when it was making the rounds in his nursing home. She was going to find out from her sister whether they were vaccinating him or not. He's easily in his late 80's. In his case the vaccine death would be a blessing too.
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There's actually a nursing home in New York state which had a coronavirus outbreak and deaths around the time they started vaccinations. It's difficult to know whether the virus was brought in by CVS/Walgreens or an aide worker who tested positive. So far, they are claiming it was not the vaccine. It also wouldn't surprise me if the harsh side effects weakened the elderly patients' ability to fight off minor exposure.
Since one of the side effects of the vaccine is extreme fatigue, it stands to reason that an elderly person with heart failure or a similar condition is going to be at high risk by taking the vaccine.
Thanks so much for the article. In the Germany case, they were probably better off passing away as a result of the vaccine.
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According to the medical expert, the deceased were aged from 79 to 93, all with antecedent diseases. The time between vaccination and death ranged from several hours to four days.
"Until yesterday we had nine cases; we have to wait for the data from Lower Saxony [about another alleged case], then there will be 10. We are talking about patients in extremely grave condition, with multiple diseases, who were receiving palliative treatment. I have already said that we are studying these cases ... Based on our current data we assume they died from their main diseases, coinciding in time with the vaccination," Keller-Stanislawski said at a press conference.
Pharma-sponsored death = good
Death from illness = bad
Do I have that correct?
I will be waiting for others to beta test as well.
I think everyone agrees death = bad , not sure why he said vaccine everyone, obviously if poor health, I would stay away. Ivermectin, MIR2911 extract, H2O2 therapy, or other alternatives will probably be best.
Ive seen many potential anti-virals posted, just not much follow up.
I think everyone agrees death = bad , not sure why he said vaccine everyone, obviously if poor health, I would stay away.
I think the point of the last few posts is that Death --does not necessarily equal-- Bad.
But I agree with the second half of your sentence.
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