Vaccine warning from Norwegian Medicine - seniors in poor health at risk.
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By that same logic, Viruses also have an acceptable fatality rate which is around 1% for Covid. Deaths are going to happen with any virus. Death is a part of life.
Most of us prefer not to die from something preventable.
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Norway has seen 23 deaths out of 250,000 in this group after they were vaccinated.
Those deaths are being investigated. It has not been determined whether any of them were due to the vaccine.
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Anaphylactic reactions to this vaccine are ten times higher than for the flu vaccine.
"As of December 23, 2020, a reported 1,893,360 first doses of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had been administered in the United States, and reports of 4,393 (0.2%) adverse events after receipt of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine had been submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). Among these, 175 case reports were identified for further review as possible cases of severe allergic reaction, including anaphylaxis. Anaphylaxis is a life-threatening allergic reaction that does occur rarely after vaccination, with onset typically within minutes to hours. Twenty-one cases were determined to be anaphylaxis (a rate of 11.1 per million doses administered), including 17 in persons with a documented history of allergies or allergic reactions, seven of whom had a history of anaphylaxis. The median interval from vaccine receipt to symptom onset was 13 minutes (range = 2–150 minutes). Among 20 persons with follow-up information available, all had recovered or been discharged home. Of the remaining case reports that were determined not to be anaphylaxis, 86 were judged to be nonanaphylaxis allergic reactions, and 61 were considered nonallergic adverse events. Seven case reports were still under investigation."
And which vaccine they're using. According to an article I'm seeing, it sounds like it was the Pfizer one because China is suspending it's use after the Norway deaths. According to the article below, it sounds like China also has their own vaccine so I don't understand why they'd even use the Pfizer vaccine.
I'll summarize some of the article because there's way too much to quote. Norway started vaccinations the end of December, starting with the oldest population (article says over 85) then residents of nursing homes.
Studies that formed the basis for the vaccines temporary approval included few people that were over 85, plus little is even known how side effects affect the age group. They're also saying Chinese experts suggest the deaths should be assessed to see if the deaths were caused by preexisting conditions and/or the vaccine.
A virologist from Wuhan thinks that if it's proven the deaths are caused by the vaccine and ones made with mRNA that they're not as good as expected. The virologist also said China is using more mature technology with their inactivated vaccines. A immunologist based in Beijing said that the world should suspend the use of the Pfizer mRNA COVID-19 vaccine because the new technology hasn't been proven to prevent any infectious disease and hasn't proven safety in large scale use. He also feels that anyone over 80 should not get any vaccine and that they have weaker immune systems and are more prone to adverse effects.
From what I recall reading elsewhere, the available Chinese vaccine had an efficacy of around 50%, quite low compared to Moderna/Pfizer. China, like the US, had a concerted effort to develop as many vaccines as possible within as short of a timeframe as possible, so I'm not sure on the status of any of their other vaccines that were in development.
Nothing happens at minute 16. The wait is to observe for severe allergic reactions.
The vaccine is available under an FDA emergency use authorization. People are dying from the coronavirus at a rate of about 4000 per day, accounting for about half the daily death total in the US.
If you do not want to take it, don't.
That's the point.
It is not FDA approved and has no follow up data. No one can say what long-term effects are. No one. There is no data, there are no studies. Pretending the vaccine is 100% safe and will have ZERO long term effects is unscientific.
And also -- the virus has a 99% recovery rate. Poses minimal risk to the vast majority of the population.
It's a very easy decision.
And more and more people are making that decision every day, including doctors and nurses, as more and more information comes out about the side effects. Because we DO NOT KNOW what the effects are. Why don't we know? See above.
How many of those 4000 who died "from COVID" not "with COVID" are younger than 60? Have no comorbidities? Are not in assisted living or LTC or hospice? Are not immunocompromised?
Show the data, so we can all see which segment of the population is terminally ill with COVID.
It is not FDA approved and has no follow up data. No one can say what long-term effects are. No one. There is no data, there are no studies. Pretending the vaccine is 100% safe and will have ZERO long term effects is unscientific.
And also -- the virus has a 99% recovery rate. Poses minimal risk to the vast majority of the population.
It's a very easy decision.
And more and more people are making that decision every day, including doctors and nurses, as more and more information comes out about the side effects. Because we DO NOT KNOW what the effects are. Why don't we know? See above.
How many of those 4000 who died "from COVID" not "with COVID" are younger than 60? Have no comorbidities? Are not in assisted living or LTC or hospice? Are not immunocompromised?
Show the data, so we can all see which segment of the population is terminally ill with COVID.
Moderna and Pfizer did large phase 3 studies. Tens of thousands of participants. There is data, and it is a bit silly to claim there is none. In addition, new data are coming in as millions of people in the general public are taking the vaccine.
No one is "Pretending the vaccine is 100% safe and will have ZERO long term effects".
There is no way to know whether you will be one of the 1% or not. If there were, we would just vaccinate the 1%.
It does not matter whether the dead were old or young, have comorbidities or not or were in assisted living or LTC or hospice. The virus still killed them.
You are free to think you are not at risk to get sick from the virus - or die from it.
For those with a certain literacy in math the risk of the disease far exceeds the risk of the vaccine.
Lets see, we are close to 400,000 deaths from covid now and you are worried about 13 deaths from the vaccine. Wow. Where were you for all those 400k deaths? Werent worried about them?
You want herd immunity, the vaccine is way to go. For some with allergies, probably better to skip vaccine. But everybody else, you get a sore arm for a day. Not a big gamble IMHO. Even if it somehow doesnt work, there is marginal risk for potential HUGE benefit in case it does. I am not thrilled with the warp speed in development and snail pace in actual roll out. But its a PANDEMIC. If you wait until its all tested to nth degree for ten years, you just as well not bother.
Too much fighting. There have been mass deletes and this thread is closed.
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