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I didn't read anything about the vaccine takes time to work, but I'll read it again. He's gone from no mask needed early on and now double masking even with vaccination.
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Both Moderna and Pfizer vaccines take 3-4 weeks until we develope full immunity. And then, only around 90-95% effective
We wont know for sure for months.
We are learning as we go with COVID
As for masks, they weren't pushed in the beginning because we just didn't have enough PPE for front line workers.
The few times I've been in stores (very few) as well as Dr's offices and hospitals I've always double masked. That's what I've been taught and practiced my entire professional career. Always glove up and double mask (except when using N95) when around any pathogens
People don't understand right now why people are dying. It's not because of covid, it's because it's a new virus that we have not been exposed of. The people that are dying because their immune system has an overreaction that is over taxing the health of people who aren't healthy. If you're relatively healthy and you've been sick in the past and your immune system helped you recover then you should be fine. Because covid is a health metric test of your immune system. It's survival of the fittest.
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People don't understand right now why people are dying. It's not because of covid, it's because it's a new virus that we have not been exposed of. The people that are dying because their immune system has an overreaction that is over taxing the health of people who aren't healthy. If you're relatively healthy and you've been sick in the past and your immune system helped you recover then you should be fine. Because covid is a health metric test of your immune system. It's survival of the fittest.
People don't understand right now why people are dying. It's not because of covid, it's because it's a new virus that we have not been exposed of. The people that are dying because their immune system has an overreaction that is over taxing the health of people who aren't healthy. If you're relatively healthy and you've been sick in the past and your immune system helped you recover then you should be fine. Because covid is a health metric test of your immune system. It's survival of the fittest.
Immune system reactions are found on a continuum, impacting the disease process in various ways. Generally speaking can't it easily be the other way around? For example, in the Spanish flu the healthy immune systems of the young led to the overreaction that killed them. The cytokine storm. Now what sparked the severity of the underlying illness in the young leading to cytokine storm is a separate question.
Scientists appear not to know. The typical exposure children have to viruses helps them fight off similar viruses later in life. That's well accepted. A Spanish flu theory is that exposure to an early virus might lead to a dysfunctional or intensified response to a somewhat similar but different strain of that first virus.
That intensified reaction then caused cytokine leading to disproportionally more deaths among the young. Their prior exposures an earlier pandemic of a different flu strain along with their very healthy immune systems killed some. The Hong Kong flu similarly is thought to have been just different enough from earlier strains to cause more severe illness among many younger. Not to the extent of the Spanish flu, of course. Not to where the cytokine storm chain began.
I remember it well, as a teen. Never been so sick in my life. Even though I'd had the flu before as a child which, per that theory, could have sparked that intensified reaction to what was a new strain. The prior exposure intensified not mitigated its impact.
Where we can agree is introducing a novel virus into the human population can turn around and bite us in the you-know-what.
Immune system reactions are found on a continuum, impacting the disease process in various ways. Generally speaking can't it easily be the other way around? For example, in the Spanish flu the healthy immune systems of the young led to the overreaction that killed them. The cytokine storm. Now what sparked the severity of the underlying illness in the young leading to cytokine storm is a separate question.
Scientists appear not to know. The typical exposure children have to viruses helps them fight off similar viruses later in life. That's well accepted. A Spanish flu theory is that exposure to an early virus might lead to a dysfunctional or intensified response to a somewhat similar but different strain of that first virus.
That intensified reaction then caused cytokine leading to disproportionally more deaths among the young. Their prior exposures an earlier pandemic of a different flu strain along with their very healthy immune systems killed some. The Hong Kong flu similarly is thought to have been just different enough from earlier strains to cause more severe illness among many younger. Not to the extent of the Spanish flu, of course. Not to where the cytokine storm chain began.
I remember it well, as a teen. Never been so sick in my life. Even though I'd had the flu before as a child which, per that theory, could have sparked that intensified reaction to what was a new strain. The prior exposure intensified not mitigated its impact.
Where we can agree is introducing a novel virus into the human population can turn around and bite us in the you-know-what.
Notice how so many virus seem to originate in China. For years now. Hong Kong flu, Bird Flu, Sars Virus and now Covid. The several times I have been there for my job. We were told not to drink the water, and brush our teeth with bottled water. The water has problems, the air is filthy there. The outdoor markets are definitely dirty. People had masks on there 20 years ago. I was not surprised last year at this time. That we were being told another virus that appears to have originated in China. When will the world learn. Go to the root of the problem and correct what's wrong. Or the problem keeps getting worse.
People don't understand right now why people are dying. It's not because of covid, it's because it's a new virus that we have not been exposed of. The people that are dying because their immune system has an overreaction that is over taxing the health of people who aren't healthy. If you're relatively healthy and you've been sick in the past and your immune system helped you recover then you should be fine. Because covid is a health metric test of your immune system. It's survival of the fittest.
LOL. The internet is packed full of false information.
Notice how so many virus seem to originate in China. For years now. Hong Kong flu, Bird Flu, Sars Virus and now Covid. The several times I have been there for my job. We were told not to drink the water, and brush our teeth with bottled water. The water has problems, the air is filthy there. The outdoor markets are definitely dirty. People had masks on there 20 years ago. I was not surprised last year at this time. That we were being told another virus that appears to have originated in China. When will the world learn. Go to the root of the problem and correct what's wrong. Or the problem keeps getting worse.
These are very good points and this is an issue that seems to be have been swept under the rug probably for fear of sounding racist against China. But how and why do we just turn a blind eye to all of the diseases that come out of China? Covid had been deadly for many and inconvenient for pretty much everyone. The obvious answer is that disease spreads so quickly in China since there are so many people...but they need to do something about their hygiene. If the US were responsible for the start of covid and other diseases we'd be embarrassed but China seems to have no shame. And no one seems to really care. How many times will this happen again?
These are very good points and this is an issue that seems to be have been swept under the rug probably for fear of sounding racist against China. But how and why do we just turn a blind eye to all of the diseases that come out of China? Covid had been deadly for many and inconvenient for pretty much everyone. The obvious answer is that disease spreads so quickly in China since there are so many people...but they need to do something about their hygiene. If the US were responsible for the start of covid and other diseases we'd be embarrassed but China seems to have no shame. And no one seems to really care. How many times will this happen again?
China is the greatest perpetrator of child/slave labor. The world not only ignores it, but it also supports it via Chinese imports.
For some reason, China is carrying the world's sack in her purse.
Notice how so many virus seem to originate in China. For years now. Hong Kong flu, Bird Flu, Sars Virus and now Covid. The several times I have been there for my job. We were told not to drink the water, and brush our teeth with bottled water. The water has problems, the air is filthy there. The outdoor markets are definitely dirty. People had masks on there 20 years ago. I was not surprised last year at this time. That we were being told another virus that appears to have originated in China. When will the world learn. Go to the root of the problem and correct what's wrong. Or the problem keeps getting worse.
How do you correct an authoritarian country with over 1 billion people whose government does whatever it wants? They seem to have come out way ahead of almost every other country in the world with covid. So why should they change?
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