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Old 12-29-2021, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-23-cases.html



Making day-to-day decisions based on mistakes ... not so good..
It's a bad mistake-assuming it's a mistake. What day to day decisions do you see would be affected by it?


"...Setting aside the question of how the initial estimate was so inaccurate, if CDC’s new estimate of Omicron prevalence is precise then it suggests that a good portion of the current hospitalizations we’re seeing from Covid may still be driven by Delta infections,” former Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb tweeted on Tuesday. .."

 
Old 12-29-2021, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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No, its not.
Is there where I say "is too!", and we go back and forth several times until Mommy puts us in our rooms?
 
Old 12-30-2021, 04:01 AM
 
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I agree that we need more/different data to get the statistics right. But everyone is clamoring for guidance and numbers, and they're doing the best they can. They are also receiving data from local sources, so they have to know what each state did so they can process the data consistently... it's a pain.
You can give them all the benefit of the doubt you want, but many other countries around the world are astonished by Fauci & Co blunders and lack of transparency.
This has been going on since at least 2009;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c2PmErlEzQ
 
Old 12-30-2021, 05:13 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I'd like to see you even try to understand what's involved in an effort like this.
I agree. The world is experiencing something they've never had to deal with before. Scientists and medical experts are learning as they go.

We can't expect them to comprehend and make decisions on all the changing data coming at them in the blink of an eye.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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The UK Daily Mail is more accurate than anything the US print and TV news media puts out.
That's been my experience, too, especially when it comes to non-celebrity reporting. The only "problems" I've found with their reporting has been some incorrect naming schemes when talking about certain cities or political bodies. For instance, I recall them referring to a member of the House of Representatives as "Senator," but I chalk that up to just being from the UK. And, even then, that's rare for me.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 07:30 AM
 
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It's a bad mistake-assuming it's a mistake. What day to day decisions do you see would be affected by it?


"...Setting aside the question of how the initial estimate was so inaccurate, if CDC’s new estimate of Omicron prevalence is precise then it suggests that a good portion of the current hospitalizations we’re seeing from Covid may still be driven by Delta infections,” former Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb tweeted on Tuesday. .."
If you are unable to look at the "listen to only the experts" argument with the stunning amount of inaccurate and miscalculated data that the "experts" are basing all of their "evidence based decisions" on, there is no point in having a conversation.

People keep posting 'believe the experts' as if experts are NEVER wrong. They are. A lot.

YMMV.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 07:53 AM
 
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I'd like to see you even try to understand what's involved in an effort like this.
Their numbers are worthless and completely meaningless if they are 50% off.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 07:56 AM
 
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I agree. The world is experiencing something they've never had to deal with before. Scientists and medical experts are learning as they go.

We can't expect them to comprehend and make decisions on all the changing data coming at them in the blink of an eye.
They have been playing fast and loose with the numbers from the get go.

Public trust in these so called "experts" is at an all time low.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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If you are unable to look at the "listen to only the experts" argument with the stunning amount of inaccurate and miscalculated data that the "experts" are basing all of their "evidence based decisions" on, there is no point in having a conversation.

People keep posting 'believe the experts' as if experts are NEVER wrong. They are. A lot.

YMMV.
You've got to be able to distinguish between important info that's been collected and analyzed over a period of time from relatively trivial info (estimate) that's recently been worked up. I don't understand how someone could equate the two.
 
Old 12-30-2021, 10:29 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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They have been playing fast and loose with the numbers from the get go.

Public trust in these so called "experts" is at an all time low.
Especially now when "follow the science and close down" has been replaced with "minimize disruption, decrease quarantine times and keep the airplanes flying".
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