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Curious here. Do you have any references that show the flu vaccine "does" work?
There are many studies that show that they do not work.
If anyone took the time to "put two and two together" on the cdc website you can plainly look at the graphs and see that the number of flu related deaths has NOT gone down even after the flu vaccine became more widely used.
The cdc also explains that in 2005, they noticed that those that died also had STAPH infections. Where do you get a staph infection??? Hmmm, the hospital?
If you are sick you stay home. You have less of a chance of dying from the flu if you stay home. Seniors are in nursing homes and hospitals where these super bugs run wild.
Here is one from BMJ. Flu shots have little effect in whether or not you die from the flu
They could run out if you are not the first in line. Hmmmmmmm.
So, your "older" children and adults will be getting the dangerous thimerosal???
Awesome
Once again - you are issuing a medical opinion - and suggesting that people do as you say - in this case the clear suggestion is not to get the shot.
I'm kinda thinking that I would be willing to represent someone from these boards, pro bono, in a liability case AGAINST YOU, who takes YOUR advice - which you are very pushy of - Heck, yes, as an attorney - and a damn fine one, I'll do it!!
There are many studies that show that they do not work.
If anyone took the time to "put two and two together" on the cdc website you can plainly look at the graphs and see that the number of flu related deaths has NOT gone down even after the flu vaccine became more widely used.
The cdc also explains that in 2005, they noticed that those that died also had STAPH infections. Where do you get a staph infection??? Hmmm, the hospital?
If you are sick you stay home. You have less of a chance of dying from the flu if you stay home. Seniors are in nursing homes and hospitals where these super bugs run wild.
Here is one from BMJ. Flu shots have little effect in whether or not you die from the flu
Neither of these papers says what you claim it does. The BMJ paper only retrospectively examines the prior studies in a meta-analysis to look at efficacy and safety. The author concluded that while there evidence for efficacy is sparse, the reason is multifold: the poorly controlled studies (this is one of those cases when a placebo control might be considered unethical) and other vagaries of clinical trials that they speculated upon in the paper. NOWHERE in the paper did the author state that the vaccine is not effective.
The second paper you cite used a logistic regression, again for a retrospective meta-analysis ONLY for the elderly (who always carry higher risk of death in any clinical trial). They concluded that the vaccine was not as effective as thought. They did NOT conclude that it's ineffective. That's something very different.
Once again - you are issuing a medical opinion - and suggesting that people do as you say - in this case the clear suggestion is not to get the shot.
I'm kinda thinking that I would be willing to represent someone from these boards, pro bono, in a liability case AGAINST YOU, who takes YOUR advice - which you are very pushy of - Heck, yes, as an attorney - and a damn fine one, I'll do it!!
Go for it. . . .
I'd do the same for you. Anyone who tells someone to get a flu shot should be held liable for all the damage that it may do, short and long term.
I'd do the same for you. Anyone who tells someone to get a flu shot should be held liable for all the damage that it may do, short and long term.
And these are opinions.
Unlike you - I have not told anyone what to do. You have.
Now, I'm going to give you advice that I actually am competent to give to you - and, I will not charge for it: PREFACE YOUR REMARKS with IMO or In my Opinion, I would not personally get one of those shots ....etc.
BUT when you criticize others, when you demean them (as you do), you are opening YOURSELF up to mucho potential liability.
There are many studies that show that they do not work.
If anyone took the time to "put two and two together" on the cdc website you can plainly look at the graphs and see that the number of flu related deaths has NOT gone down even after the flu vaccine became more widely used.
The cdc also explains that in 2005, they noticed that those that died also had STAPH infections. Where do you get a staph infection??? Hmmm, the hospital?
If you are sick you stay home. You have less of a chance of dying from the flu if you stay home. Seniors are in nursing homes and hospitals where these super bugs run wild.
Here is one from BMJ. Flu shots have little effect in whether or not you die from the flu
Unlike you - I have not told anyone what to do. You have.
Now, I'm going to give you advice that I actually am competent to give to you - and, I will not charge for it: PREFACE YOUR REMARKS with IMO or In my Opinion, I would not personally get one of those shots ....etc.
BUT when you criticize others, when you demean them (as you do), you are opening YOURSELF up to mucho potential liability.
Like I said. go for it.
I already said such things as you imply. And with that said no one in the entire forum should be able to say that vaccines work for sure or that anyone should get a shot or a vaccine or treat anything with home remedies.
At the beginning of this thread I pointed out that no one should take one posters advice over another. You must make the choice for yourself.
And I will continue to say that some vaccines don't work. Some vaccines do more harm than good. And people should reconcider their choices if they have already decided upon such things.
This is 2009. That was 2005. A lot has gone on over the last 3 / 4 years - won't you agree.
And again, IT MAY BE YOUR OPINION that flu shots don't work - but, my Physican, someone I feel is far more qualified than you to make that decision (as to working) feels significantly different than you do.
Now, who should "we", the readers here trust - YOU who admittedly has no medical background nor training, or our personal physicans who ARE trained professionals? And those trained professionals will make their recommendations based on many different criteria all relating to the SPECIFICPATIENT - and they WILL NOT, as you have, make a BLANKET statement.
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