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Old 11-01-2021, 08:12 PM
 
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And then if Hitler avoided Russian winter could we be looking today at a Third Reich victory ? What would have become of that Reich if it took over the entire Eastern Hemisphere?
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Old 11-02-2021, 07:24 AM
 
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I for one don't understand your "what-if" scenario? The US was heading to war with the axis powers regardless, and Pearl Harbor sealed it. The US would have declared was on Germany, as part of the axis. It was a "package deal".

But I don't understand your title, "fought on Britain RAF". You mean the Battle of Britain? That was a relatively short phase of the war and ended before the US declared war on USA. If you mean just fight UK alone, just say it.

"Hitler avoided Russian Winter". I don't understand this either. You mean if Germany didn't invade Russia? Just say it. War was inevitable with these two powers regardless. If Germany didn't invade Russia then likely a year later Russia would have invaded Germany.
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Old 11-02-2021, 07:53 AM
 
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The Battle of Britain effectively ended any hopes Hitler had of invading the UK, however if he wasn't at war with Russia the Allies would have had little chance at invading France in 44, if the US wasn't in the war then there would have basically been a 'stalemate' down the English Channel, the UK alone wouldn't be able to invade France. Of course Hitler would have reached his 'zenith' also, without war with Russia then Germany would not have been able to spread out any further Eastwards, his Western Border would have been the Atlantic/English Channel and Montgommery's success at Tobruck meant he was unable to advance South, who knows how long those particular 'borders' would have lasted, particularly if the UK and Germany sued for peace. I think once Russia and Germany were at war Hitler's days were numbered, fighting on the two fronts was particularly hard for Germany, once the Allies had a foothold in Western France it was only a matter of time.
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Old 11-02-2021, 09:08 AM
 
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The Battle of Britain effectively ended any hopes Hitler had of invading the UK, however if he wasn't at war with Russia the Allies would have had little chance at invading France in 44, if the US wasn't in the war then there would have basically been a 'stalemate' down the English Channel, the UK alone wouldn't be able to invade France. Of course Hitler would have reached his 'zenith' also, without war with Russia then Germany would not have been able to spread out any further Eastwards, his Western Border would have been the Atlantic/English Channel and Montgommery's success at Tobruck meant he was unable to advance South, who knows how long those particular 'borders' would have lasted, particularly if the UK and Germany sued for peace. I think once Russia and Germany were at war Hitler's days were numbered, fighting on the two fronts was particularly hard for Germany, once the Allies had a foothold in Western France it was only a matter of time.
This ^

A very succinct analysis.

Would it be fair to say that Hitler viewed the UK as Tojo did the US? Neither really wanted to conquer them. Rather, they both wanted them to simply get out of the way of their plans for expansion.
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Old 11-02-2021, 12:27 PM
 
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This ^

A very succinct analysis.

Would it be fair to say that Hitler viewed the UK as Tojo did the US? Neither really wanted to conquer them. Rather, they both wanted them to simply get out of the way of their plans for expansion.
That's true but likewise Germany didn't want war with France either beyond a limited campaign to seize the disputed territories on the border and then settle for a cease fire. Hitler's focus, Germany's focus actually going back to pre-WWI, was always Eastern Europe. War with Soviet Russia was inevitable, evidence suggests Russia was already planning an offensive against Germany but they only needed a few more years to arm up, thus no "what if" scenario is plausible.
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Old 11-02-2021, 01:44 PM
 
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One of the most ridiculous "What if" scenarios we have had for a long time.
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Old 11-02-2021, 01:45 PM
 
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That's true but likewise Germany didn't want war with France either beyond a limited campaign to seize the disputed territories on the border and then settle for a cease fire. Hitler's focus, Germany's focus actually going back to pre-WWI, was always Eastern Europe. War with Soviet Russia was inevitable, evidence suggests Russia was already planning an offensive against Germany but they only needed a few more years to arm up, thus no "what if" scenario is plausible.
I think they had a vendetta with regards to France. They really wanted revenge for WWI and Versailles.
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Old 11-02-2021, 02:18 PM
 
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One of the most ridiculous "What if" scenarios we have had for a long time.
It would help if the OP was more articulate in the "what if". It's hard to figure out what he was asking. Might be a language translation issue.
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Old 11-02-2021, 02:30 PM
 
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I think they had a vendetta with regards to France. They really wanted revenge for WWI and Versailles.
Well yes but I think his first priority was Russia and the east. UK and France declaring war upon Hitler's invasion of Poland (which was the right thing to do, and probably should have been done earlier) forced Hitler to call his hand.
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Old 11-02-2021, 02:45 PM
 
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And then if Hitler avoided Russian winter could we be looking today at a Third Reich victory ? What would have become of that Reich if it took over the entire Eastern Hemisphere?
Great Britain won the Battle of Britain.

Plus the British Empire ruled 1/4 of the globe.

I don't see how the British Empire could be beaten, although as the Blitz showed, Germany could have inflicted severe damage on England, Scotland and Wales.
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