As someone who has a strong interest in the cultures and civilizations of the Sahara and who is well aware of the way this region's past has been distorted and marginalized for the past few centuries I can emphasize with those that have an interest in the history of the Americas.
So although I am primarily into Saharan history I have ran across enough information to debunk the inverted pseudo-science and history the Afronuts and their sympathizers have been pushing in this thread.
The indigenous peoples of what is now called the American Great lakes region were among the earliest people to begin using copper.
These peoples use of metals goes back to at least 6,000 B.C.E. The populations of what would become Alaska, Yukon and Latin America also took advantage of metals.
Jack Forbes mentions
a folk tradition crediting the founding of a Dutch coastal city to an Inuit (Eskimo). Forbes also notes
the indigenous Americans were excellent navigators constructing crafts capable not only of traveling between the Caribbean islands and the mainland, but those on the Pacific coast were capable of building vessels that could reach Polynesia.
The Inuit may have also been instrumental in
the development of whaling and the use of skin covered boats in medieval and early modern Europe.
To sum up, the indigenous Americans were perfectly able to develop societies, technologies and civilizations no matter how much it hurts Afronuts (and other pseudo-scientific/historical racialists) sense of self and their esteem. And even in the event of contacts with others, it appears to be the case in the Pacific and northern Europe, that the indigenous Americans might not only have been the ones to initiate contact but introduced new skills and technology.
Now one might ask what would possess a group that is constantly whining and crying about how their history has been stolen to so blatantly attempt to do the same thing to a group that quite frankly, has just a great if not greater claim to historical mistreatment over the past few centuries. So let us take a closer look to see where these clowns are coming from.
Not only did
this one disappear into the mist when asked about evidence for African Olmecs, she did not even have the courage to publicly admit she was an Afrocentric in the 1st place.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
I just thought I'd mention that for the benefit of others, that this theory was not proffered by the idiot Afro-centric morons who make claims like flying Negroes (with wings attached them -- like angels) built the pyramids and then white men came and killed all of the flying Negroes (actual theory taught in both public and private schools here in Cincinnati and elsewhere as part of Afro-centric curricula).
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This one seems to be cut from the same cloth as well.
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Originally Posted by nyanna
You cannot compare the modern Mexican natives to the ancient Olmecs because they have intermixed for centuries with other ethnicities. There is a slight resemblance but the Mexican guy is no where near as African looking as the Olmec stone head for obvious reasons
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And when I asked her to specifically about "Nubian" Olmecs:
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Originally Posted by nyanna
Yes. it's quite obvious looking at the stone heads. Just like many modern day Black Americans don't look like they did 150 years ago. It's like taking a photo of Vanessa Williams and stating that most Black women looked like her 200 years ago in America.
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And just like her ideological soul sister, once feel good belief was confronted logic and reality,
she too disappeared into the mist.
Albeit this character is not from this thread, but he too is not far from the same ideological tree:
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Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly
At the least she had a mixed of Native Egyptian and Greek ancestry. But to say that she was 100% white with absolutely no possibility of having any African ancestry is just ignorant and very Eurocentric.
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Apparently according to this character, I am ignorant and Eurocentric because
I too hold that Cleo was of hellene ancestry and there is no evidence to show otherwise. Unless this guy has top secret information or psychic powers where he can claim he knows the "truth" about Cleo's family history. Or could it just be that whoever and whatever does not make him feel good is ignorant and Eurocentric?
Now this post one might see as neutral:
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Originally Posted by ckhthankgod
I find these articles to be very interesting though: MEXICO'S HIDDEN BLACKS | More Intelligent Life
History Of Blacks In Mexico | Mexico's black history is often ignored - Los Angeles Times
Black Mexicans see pride in lost history
Race Now: #3: Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go? by Steve Sailer for UPI; Vicente Guerrero, Emiliano Zapata, Ted Vincent, Mark. D. Shriver, Ricardo Cerda-Flores, genetic, mestizo, mulatto, zambo, African, La Bamba |
But on closer examination from another thread where because some schools stress high academic standards they are accused of being racist, there was
this statement:
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What about the aspect of sports? Meaning, maybe many Black/Latino students might go to schools that may have good sports programs, even if they could get into Stuyvesant or other specialized schools that may have low percentages of both groups. Same point applies to other extracurricular activities.
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So rather than parents stressing academics and activities that would allow their kids to be able to get into schools like Stuyvesant, Stuyvesant and other schools should consider changing their standards to allow for parents and their children
who don't stress academics to feel good about themselves for getting into (now not so) specialized schools.
Starting to notice a pattern?
And this one is the worst of them all:
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Originally Posted by Wild Style
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Its important to discuss Ms. Ashton at this point in time and place.
Throughout my posts and threads in this history forum I have often wrote about the legacy of colonialism and its affect on academia, particularly the way in which the Sahara and related regions have been regarded.
The knuckle head New Ager babbling about roving Russians and space men; the comments about green Indians; Alexander Hamilton; Marxists, blonds that have either magically transported themselves from northern Europe and/or somehow evolved in the UV high Sahara; and accusations about me being an evil liberal elitist all have their origin (whether those making these ridiculous claims were conscious of it or not) in that legacy.
It would be wrong to say that academia has not evolved over the last 50 years or so and I have noticed that Egyptology, Africana studies and now the growing field of human evolution and Out of Africa migrations, Saharan studies, Nubiology and articles/books being published on the Arabian peninsula have rocked most, if not all of the colonial myths to its core.
It is very important for academics like Ms. Ashton to emphasize that Kmt/Kemi/Ta Meri/Tawy (Egypt) should be placed in an African context, but they should also ensure that its placed in its
proper African context, and by that
I explicitly and emphatically mean the Saharan and eastern African regions.
Colonial ideology tried to separate the Nile Delta from the Nile Valley. The Upper Egyptian Nile Valley from the Nubian Nile Valley. The Nile from the deserts surrounding it and the Tell of the Maghrib from the desert proper.
Thankfully modern scholars are now realizing that the Tell and the Nile should be seen as oases of the Sahra and the Sahra should not be seen as an impassable barrier especially in relation to the regions of the Horn, lake Chad, the Niger and the Senegal.
Those that try to divorce Tawy from its Saharan and east African context and place it in Gabon are just as bad as the knuckle head marauding Russian theorists.
Ms. Ashton seemed to doing a sleight of hand
by encouraging West Africans (by this I take it she means those well south of the waterways of Senegal and Niger),
Jamaicans (by and large descendants of west Africans)
and Black British (have no clue what she means by this, though she distinguishes this group from the previous 2)
to see themselves as the heirs to Tawy, while conveniently ignoring that there are present day groups that have a much more legitimate claim.
Frankly, I don't hear (though that does not mean it doesn't happen, but if it does its not as often and as annoyingly loud) that Alaskan and other North American indigenous groups claim that the monumental civilizations in the southern Americas were the work of their ancestors and the people now there have no claims to it.
Do North American aboriginals say, look at Shakira, look at Ricky Martin, look at Ricky Ricardo, those people down there are Spainards, they speak Spanish,
my ancestors were great kings and queens like the Olmecs, Mayans and Incas?
Do Alaskan Inuits claim to be descendants and cousins of Mongol warriors, Japanese shoguns and Chinese emperors?
Do North American aboriginals claim to be the heirs to the great civilizations of Asia and the southern Americas even moreso than modern day groups living in these regions who have demonstrated biological and cultural links to their respective ancient predecessors?
Possibly, but not nearly as much as the Afronuts.
Honestly, these people are not interested in history, they are not interested in social justice, they are not interested in learning about ancient civilizations, nor more recent history like the movement of MLK to have all Americans be judged by the content of their character.
These people are just lazy bastards, who reek of the stench of entitlement.
They feel that society owes them something and that they deserve the world on a silver platter, though they sure as hell don't want to work for it.
They can't read, can't think. They can only feel and G*d d@mn it, they demand that they should be able to steal from others in order to make themselves feel good. It is their right, what theirs is theirs and whats yours is theirs as well.
I feel Ms. Ashton would be doing a major disservice to academia in regards to the study of African history and the progress it has made in recent decades in moving away from baseless colonial thinking by making people feel entitled and that they can steal from other people.
Enabling Afronuts does not do anything to uplift anybody. They won't be satisfied until the whole world is as destitute and as miserable as they are.
Rewarding failure and dumbing things down does not do a thing to reverse historical inequities, it justs makes everyone a loser in the long run.
So once again as someone who has studied Saharan history, I am well aware of how certain regions have been mistreated by academia due to modern notions. I'm sure there is much more to the history of indigenous American naval and monumental construction achievements, and I hope those in the know out there can help rehabilitate this thread by elaborating on them.
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