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Old 07-19-2012, 12:33 PM
 
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Reagan's string puller was a man named Holmes Tuttle. Yes. He had one. He continued this job after Reagan became president.


Interesting... Tuttle's political involvement began in 1952, same year Prescott Bush was first elected Senator.
Dubya appointed Tuttle's son UK ambassador.


Holmes Tuttle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Robert H. Tuttle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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Old 07-19-2012, 01:05 PM
 
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Interesting... Tuttle's political involvement began in 1952, same year Prescott Bush was first elected Senator.
Dubya appointed Tuttle's son UK ambassador.


Holmes Tuttle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Robert H. Tuttle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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It would be hard to over-estimate the power of Reagan's so-called Kitchen Cabinet. And Holmes Tuttle was the head honcho in that group.

For free fun and entertainment look up another member of the cabinet: Alfred S. Bloomingdale. And think about the fact that both Ronnie and Nancy answered his calls on the first ring. Be sure to read up on Bloomingdale's girlfriend, Vicki Morgan.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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Reagan's string puller was a man named Holmes Tuttle. Yes. He had one. He continued this job after Reagan became president.
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It would be hard to over-estimate the power of Reagan's so-called Kitchen Cabinet. And Holmes Tuttle was the head honcho in that group.

For free fun and entertainment look up another member of the cabinet: Alfred S. Bloomingdale. And think about the fact that both Ronnie and Nancy answered his calls on the first ring. Be sure to read up on Bloomingdale's girlfriend, Vicki Morgan.
Put up some proof that Reagan was a puppet and stop making insinuations from the wiki link you keep jumping back to.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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Put up some proof that Reagan was a puppet and stop making insinuations from the wiki link you keep jumping back to.
Well known piece of history. Some of us lived it. (And please note I'm not the person who put up the Wiki links. I put out the names because they were VERY well-known men. Especially to anyone who bought - and licensed - a car in the state of California while Reagan was Governor. Which was pretty much everyone in the state, lol.)

Ronald Reagan had a Kitchen Cabinet full of wealthy man who advised him and wielded a great deal of power. The "puppet" word is your's not mine. I said they pulled strings and that's just the way it was. They talked. He listened. A lot. (He also deposited their campaign donation checks. As did Bush.)

Surely you know about Reagan's Kitchen Cabinet? It wasn't exactly a secret.
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Old 07-19-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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It would be hard to over-estimate the power of Reagan's so-called Kitchen Cabinet. And Holmes Tuttle was the head honcho in that group.

For free fun and entertainment look up another member of the cabinet: Alfred S. Bloomingdale. And think about the fact that both Ronnie and Nancy answered his calls on the first ring. Be sure to read up on Bloomingdale's girlfriend, Vicki Morgan.


Interesting, thanks.


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Old 07-19-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Well known piece of history. Some of us lived it. (And please note I'm not the person who put up the Wiki links. I put out the names because they were VERY well-known men. Especially to anyone who bought - and licensed - a car in the state of California while Reagan was Governor. Which was pretty much everyone in the state, lol.)

Ronald Reagan had a Kitchen Cabinet full of wealthy man who advised him and wielded a great deal of power. The "puppet" word is your's not mine. I said they pulled strings and that's just the way it was. They talked. He listened. A lot. (He also deposited their campaign donation checks. As did Bush.)

Surely you know about Reagan's Kitchen Cabinet? It wasn't exactly a secret.
You gave the insinuation that Reagan was a puppet hence using the words pulled strings. What else do you think that's refers to?

Every president has advisers, a cabinet and people who are influential to them and who they go to to sound off.

You left off Buckley, Greenspan, Friedman, et al.

Those people you mentioned were just a few of the many people Reagan surrounded himself with but there's no evidence they dictated his policies or the direction he would take the nation.

That's an example of the revisionist history that the left is attempting to create that never existed.

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Together they amassed thousands of letters, judging that Reagan had written upwards of ten thousand letters.

A close examination of the letters shows that Reagan was indeed a take-charge president who made his own decisions, set his own tone, and did things his own way. Extensive hand-written drafts of various speeches, written by Reagan in a relatively short period, show how Reagan was not only a hard worker, but knew exactly what he was talking about. These characteristics of Reagan shatter stereotypes of him sitting back during his presidency and letting his staffers and wife do all the work. "Reagan liked being under-estimated," says Martin Anderson. "He would listen to the advice of his staffers and Nancy [Reagan], but would only take the advice if he himself agreed with it." In the end, Reagan's actions can best be summarized by the motto in which he believed, "There is no limit to what man can do, if he doesn't care who gets the credit."
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:10 PM
 
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You gave the insinuation that Reagan was a puppet hence using the words pulled strings.
Yes. I realized that after I posted.

Sorry, I am suffering the affects of the Zombie Apocalypse.

But "revisionist history"? No. I think the "revisionist history" belongs to the people who think Ronald Reagan brought down Communism all by himself. THAT'S revisionist history.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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Yes. I realized that after I posted.

Sorry, I am suffering the affects of the Zombie Apocalypse.

But "revisionist history"? No. I think the "revisionist history" belongs to the people who think Ronald Reagan brought down Communism all by himself. THAT'S revisionist history.
One person's revisionism is another person's formerly classified released documents.

Not even Reagan claimed he brought down the Soviet Union by himself and no one credits the entire thing to Reagan alone.

Was it Reagan's idea to denounce communism at every chance he got? Yes.

Was it Reagan's idea to joke about the downfalls of command-style economics? Yes.

Was it Reagan's plan to win the Cold War? Yes ("We win, they lose").

Was it Reagan's expertise alone that helped the Soviet Union dissolve and into reforms? No. That fell on all sorts of people including themselves.

Denouncing communism every step of the way...

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U.S. policy must have an ideological
thrust which clearly affirms the superiority of U.S. and Western
values of individual dignity and freedom, a free press, free
trade unions, free enterprise, and political democracy over the
repressive features of Soviet Communism.
A military buildup which force the Soviets to spend money they didn't have. SDI was a means to take it to the next step. If they couldn't continue to fund the military spending they were already doing where were they going to get the money to keep up with a project like SDI? Many on these boards dismiss SDI as nothing but rhetoric but the Soviets didn't see it that way entirely. If they did they wouldn't have been negotiating it at Reykjavik...

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The U.S. must modernize its military
forces -- both nuclear and conventional -- so that Soviet leaders
perceive that the U.S. is determined never to accept a second
place or a deteriorating military posture. 'Soviet calculations
of possible war outcomes under any contingency must always result
in outcomes so unfavorable to the USSR that there would be no
incentive for Soviet leaders to initiate an attack. The future
strength of U.S. military capabilities must be assured. U.S.
military technology advances must be exploited, while controls
over transfer of military related/dual-use technology, products,
and services must be tightened.
Funding opposition to the Soviet sphere of influence all over the world and in whatever form we could. That included the Contras, Afghanistan, Africa and in their own backyard where their revenues came from, their natural resources.

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The U.S. must take strong Countermeasures to affect the political/military impact of Soviet arms deliveries to Cuba. The U.S. must also provide economic and military assistance to states in Central America and the Caribbean Basin threatened by Cuban destabilizing activities.
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An effective response to the
Soviet challenge requires close partnership among the industrial
democracies, including stronger and more effective collective
defense arrangements.

The U.S. must rebuild the credibility of
its commitment to resist Soviet encroachment on U.S. interests .
and those of its Allies and friends, and to support effectively
those Third World states that are willing to resist Soviet pressures
or oppose Soviet initiatives hostile to the United States, or are
special targets of Soviet policy.
Restrictions on technology, equipment and grains.

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controls on advanced technology and equipment beyond
the expanded COCOM list, including equipment in the oil and gas .
sector
Secret meetings with King Fahd to increase Saudi oil production...



1980 - 1994 Oil Prices (Dec. 2011 dollars)
$104.49
$90.49
$75.86
$67.12
$63.62
$57.51
$30.26
$35.90
$28.94
$33.97
$40.67
$34.09
$31.53
$26.66
$24.27

Propaganda through news and radio services along with pamphlets to religious countries of the communist's atheistic "values"...
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We need to review and significantly strengthen U.S. instruments of political action
including: (a) The President's London initiative to support
democratic forces; (b) USG efforts to highlight Soviet human
rights violations; and (c) U.S. radio broadcasting policy.
The arms control agreements...

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The U.S. will enter into arms control negotiations
when they serve U.S. national security objectives. At the same
time, U.S. policy recognizes that arms control agreements are not
an end in themselves but are, in combination with U.S.. and Allied
efforts to maintain the military balance, an important means for
enhancing national security and global stability.
Promote "change" in the SU...

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The interrelated tasks of containing and reversing Soviet
expansion and promoting evolutionary change within the Soviet
itself cannot be accomplished quickly.

The uncertainties will be exacerbated by the fact that the Soviet
Union will be engaged in the unpredictable process of political
succession to Brezhnev. The U.S. will not seek to adjust its
policies to the Soviet internal conflict, but rather try to
create incentives (positive and. negative) for the new leadership
to adopt policies less detrimental to U.S. interests.
But, hey, those policies never existed and certainly wouldn't have done anything to push the SU to reforms.

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Old 07-21-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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Not sure where you're getting your original numbers. Could you provide a link? Let's look at the chart. While the lower quintiles were able to recover most of their loses by 1990, the average household income most certainly was lower in the mid-to-late 80s than before Reagan took office.

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Old 07-22-2012, 06:36 AM
 
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IMHO Reagan was a mediocre President, of limited intelligence. Due to Altzheimers' he slept through the majority of his presidency. He will forever in my mind be the provider of the last "official" amnesty which to date and by design continues to erase America's borders and sovereignty.
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