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Originally Posted by caribny View Post
People can say what they wish, but had the USA not intervened in WWII German would today be spoken in London.
Arrghh! Make it stop!
This line of thinking is all part of American Exceptionalism which is indoctrinated to every citizen from an early age.
Americans are taught that we are "Saviors of the World" and well yes....we do have some problems... but all in all "We're better than everyone else!".
People can say what they wish, but had the USA not intervened in WWII German would today be spoken in London. The UK had been severely damaged by the war and its the USA, arriving relatively late, with fresh troops, and a military industrial complex undamaged by Nazi bombers that made the difference.
That plus that infamous Russian winter when Hitler made the same mistake that Napoleon did, with the same devastating consequences.
Indeed the British who pretend that the US didn't change the tide of WWII are as dishonest as those Americans who pretend that they would have defeated the British without massive support from the French!
Please read post #338 and stop with the silly Hollywood WW2 "history."
From my father and father-in-law, who both fought in the European campaign: the British absolutely hated the Americans. Didn't like our attitudes, music, etc. and really didn't like that the American men were competing for the British women.
Eisenhower had to put up with Montgomery (who really was an arrogant ***** and a mediocre general). This to placate Churchill. By pulling fuel and supplies from Patton's army, we ended up stuck in France in December instead of deep inside Germany.
People can say what they wish, but had the USA not intervened in WWII German would today be spoken in London. The UK had been severely damaged by the war and its the USA, arriving relatively late, with fresh troops, and a military industrial complex undamaged by Nazi bombers that made the difference.
That plus that infamous Russian winter when Hitler made the same mistake that Napoleon did, with the same devastating consequences.
Indeed the British who pretend that the US didn't change the tide of WWII are as dishonest as those Americans who pretend that they would have defeated the British without massive support from the French!
This is Bollox, the war would have played out differently (obviously) but the bottom line is that Hitler was unable to invade the British Isles, or more likely scenario is that the war would have raged for longer and the 'Iron Curtain' would have ended up further West. D-day wouldn't have happened without US support but also D-day wouldn't have happened without the British resistance and defeat of the Nazis in the Battle of Britain, so there you have it, it was a joint effort by ALL of the Allies although I believe that the Russians would have the manpower (sheer numbers) to defeat the Nazis on there own in the long run. This 'would be speaking German' nonsense is just downright disrespectful to all of the non-American Allied soldiers that fought the Nazis.
People can say what they wish, but had the USA not intervened in WWII German would today be spoken in London. The UK had been severely damaged by the war and its the USA, arriving relatively late, with fresh troops, and a military industrial complex undamaged by Nazi bombers that made the difference.
Had the United States not entered the war in Europe, they'd still be speaking English in London - but there would be a lot more people in Paris and Amsterdam who were fluent in Russian.
First, Germany had no ability to invade the UK. Even if one wants to pretend that the Luftwaffe was going to gain air superiority (it wasn't ever really close), crossing the Channel with a flotilla based around barges from the Rhine, into the teeth of the Royal Navy, wasn't going to happen. Period.
Second, while Germany might've conceivably starved out the British with U-boats, given enough years (and it would have taken years), the UK would have simply come to terms long before then. Hitler didn't want to conquer Britain; he wanted the UK to give him a free hand on the continent, and the war in the West was merely a means to an end - securing Germany's flank before moving East. So even if the UK agreed to break off hostilities, it wouldn't have resulted in Wehrmacht boots on the English ground.
Third, the Soviets had already halted the German advance and begun to retake lost territory well before Lend Lease began to have any real effect. The Red Army would have eventually rolled up the Germany Army - but absent a western front, they'd have only stopped at the Channel, the Pyrenees, and the Norwegian Sea.
Lend lease did have alot to do with helping the Soviets even if Stalin never admitted it. Stalin should have been thanking the US and Britian for lend lease instead of trying to never mention anything about it in the history of the USSR in the war.
If Hitler had not atacked the USSR and had decided to keep the battle of Britian going on and atack Britian he most likely could have in the long run defeated the RAF and launched his invasion if he had devoted all his resources to atacking Britian and the US had not come in the war and he had not atacked the USSR. If he could have defeated the RAF and gotten air superiority then he could have most likely had the air power to invade the British Island and held off the Royal navy with his air force. Only if he could have defeated the RAF could he have pulled that off but he would have had to forget the USSR first and kept the US out of the war and his U-boats could have also done alot more.
Or if he had not atacked Britian at all and atacked the USSR earlier and had taken Moscow before the winter set in would the USSR have folded ? Or would Stalin and the USSR government just faded back deep in Siberia and then had the forces to fight Hitler and push the Germans back ? And if Britian and the US had not got into the fight with Germany and Hitler did not have to fight a 2 front war would another 60 or so divisions on the eastern front been enough to take Moscow and cause the USSR to fall ??
Hey who knows but we do know what did happen right ? I have a book called ..........."What If" and it has some of them type of questions in it and it gives its opinion on some of them. It also ask what if the allies had raced to take Berlin ?? I guess this game of questions will still be played long after we are all dead and gone. Ron
If Hitler had not atacked the USSR and had decided to keep the battle of Britian going on and atack Britian he most likely could have in the long run defeated the RAF and launched his invasion if he had devoted all his resources to atacking Britian and the US had not come in the war and he had not atacked the USSR. If he could have defeated the RAF and gotten air superiority then he could have most likely had the air power to invade the British Island and held off the Royal navy with his air force. Only if he could have defeated the RAF could he have pulled that off but he would have had to forget the USSR first and kept the US out of the war and his U-boats could have also done alot more.
This one again. How on earth were the Germans supposed to cross the channel without a navy to speak of?
The key historical point re: the original question is that by the time the USA entered the war, Great Britain had won the Battle of Britain, was in no danger of being invaded and Hitler had attacked Russia. Furthermore, it was a year after their entry into the war before the USA was able to intervene in force in the European theatre. By that time, Germany was on the defensive on all fronts. The impact of America's entry into the war has to be judged from that starting point.
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