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Old 06-09-2014, 12:23 PM
 
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I suppose you had different angles of the Nazi propaganda machine, some which nearly contradicted others.

You can take for example propaganda that Jews, unlike Hitler's followers, have this secret plot for world domination by working with the communists and that the Germans were not this way...

but then how do you explain nazi Germany invading nearly all of continental Europe and launching wars into North Africa and forming a deal with the emperor of Japan? And secretly putting on facade during 1936 Olympics where Jesse Owens competed in Berlin?

Then you have Goebbels who advocated that of course everything was propaganda but instead defended propaganda itself by saying "good government needs good propaganda and gogo propaganda needs good Government"

But then if you did not BELIEVE in the propaganda you were told to "TRUST the fuhrer" or that you have forsaken the fuhrer and were arrested and beat for unfaithfulness to the belief that it is ok to lie because it's called good propaganda. So then to be truthful to any authority can't be enforced as bad because any opposition is as true to the regime as is propaganda of the same regime.
And goebbels admitted that this is not TRUTH, it's propaganda

And then also you have a nation that is supposed to be following a bible that traces back to Martin Luther...but where did it ever say
Among plantae, animalae, fungi, Protista, manera and viruses

You have animalae and among animals you have mammals,

And among mammals you have human beings

And among human beings you have races and among races
And among races you have the Nordic master race
And the master race has one nation under one party under one leader

And that leader is the Fuhrer...hence he is righthand to the highest supreme being in the chain

And people who are humans actually believed then that this goes hand in hand with the bible or that Hitler was messiah? I don't otherwise understand the unquestionable loyalty to untruth they accepted ?
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:39 PM
 
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Well I don't quite understand some of your grammer, but I think you're asking, "How could anybody seriously go along with Hitler's line about a Master Race?"

Hitler did not invent the Nazi Party. After World War I Adolf Hitler worked as an investigator and and was asked to find out what this National Soscialist (Nazi) group was all about. A gifted public speaker, Hitler liked their ideology but thought it poorly presented, so he helped out. Soon people were coming to the meetings to hear Adolf Hitler speak.

How could people swallow it?

Becaused Nazi beliefs were based on Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which was being taught to the second and third generation of European school children by then.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution begins by stating there is a Struggle for Survival and this struggle is fiercest among members of the same species because they are competing with one another for the same resources. Fascism concludes from this that war for resources is the normal state of affairs among nations.

Darwin observed that there were differences among members of the same species and those who had differences that aided them in this struggle for survival were more likely to pass their favorable traits on to their offspring while those who lacked these traits would die out because they were competing for the same resources. This is often referred to as "Survival of the Fittest". The Nazis simply asked, "Who are the fittest humans?" At that time there was no question that the White Man ruled the world. So who were the Fittest Whites? The Germanic peoples stood out. England ruled the largest empire in the world and the English were merely the descendants of the Angles and Saxons who had left Germany and settled in Great Britain to the point it became Angleland. Hitler honestly thought the English would join the Germans up until about 1943. The Dutch, Sweeds, Danes, and Norwegians had departed from the Germans earlier. Other peoples were competing with the German Volk for the same resources and were doomed to die out, hence, the concentration camps. The Japanese were the only non-Whites who had achieved a similar level of industrialization and so Germany and Japan were suitable allies in World War II. One or the other of them was the fittest.

Someone might not like the conclusions the Nazis came to, but you had to appeal to something beyond science and logic to prove them wrong and a well-educated person did not wish to be thought of as unscientific and illogical. So you kept your misgivings to yourself.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:38 PM
 
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Well I don't quite understand some of your grammer, but I think you're asking, "How could anybody seriously go along with Hitler's line about a Master Race?"

Hitler did not invent the Nazi Party. After World War I Adolf Hitler worked as an investigator and and was asked to find out what this National Soscialist (Nazi) group was all about. A gifted public speaker, Hitler liked their ideology but thought it poorly presented, so he helped out. Soon people were coming to the meetings to hear Adolf Hitler speak.

How could people swallow it?

Becaused Nazi beliefs were based on Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which was being taught to the second and third generation of European school children by then.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution begins by stating there is a Struggle for Survival and this struggle is fiercest among members of the same species because they are competing with one another for the same resources. Fascism concludes from this that war for resources is the normal state of affairs among nations.

Darwin observed that there were differences among members of the same species and those who had differences that aided them in this struggle for survival were more likely to pass their favorable traits on to their offspring while those who lacked these traits would die out because they were competing for the same resources. This is often referred to as "Survival of the Fittest". The Nazis simply asked, "Who are the fittest humans?" At that time there was no question that the White Man ruled the world. So who were the Fittest Whites? The Germanic peoples stood out. England ruled the largest empire in the world and the English were merely the descendants of the Angles and Saxons who had left Germany and settled in Great Britain to the point it became Angleland. Hitler honestly thought the English would join the Germans up until about 1943. The Dutch, Sweeds, Danes, and Norwegians had departed from the Germans earlier. Other peoples were competing with the German Volk for the same resources and were doomed to die out, hence, the concentration camps. The Japanese were the only non-Whites who had achieved a similar level of industrialization and so Germany and Japan were suitable allies in World War II. One or the other of them was the fittest.

Someone might not like the conclusions the Nazis came to, but you had to appeal to something beyond science and logic to prove them wrong and a well-educated person did not wish to be thought of as unscientific and illogical. So you kept your misgivings to yourself.
Are you saying it is a science that the Nazi Germans were superior a civilization? What's to not give this award to Spain that colonized all of Americas? What about Ancient Romans? What about the Celts in Ireland? Or the Greeks? Or the Hebrews?

The Germanic tribes were but one longstanding group of rigid producers of goods and grain from soil but most certainly not the only one. The creativity of rhythm and beats and blues and dance is most fit by the Brazilians and Congolese and Dominicans and Peruvians and Jamaicans, no offense but the so called "master race" is no master of the chacha
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:16 AM
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Hitler liked to use fear to get people to support him, do it for the children...the children. Sound familiar to today's politicians?
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Old 06-11-2014, 05:46 PM
 
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Are you saying it is a science that the Nazi Germans were superior a civilization?
That's what the Nazis said.
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Old 06-11-2014, 06:16 PM
 
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Becaused Nazi beliefs were based on Darwin's Theory of Evolution, which was being taught to the second and third generation of European school children by then.

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I hope that you are not trying to blame the Nazis on Darwin. He did not invent evolution, he was the first to identify it as the true process by which species life developed on earth.

Besides, the notion of the superiority of your own particular group predates Darwin. The Hebrews designated themselves the "Chosen People" thousands of years before Darwin was born. Colonial exploitation and slavery are doctrines founded on the idea of one set of people being naturally entitled by their superiority to exploit others. Those institutions predate Darwin. All the religious warfare has grown out of the idea that one group is morally superior to another via their relationship with the "true" god.
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Old 06-12-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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The Nazis certainly used new developments in biological sciences and the fledgeling field of physical anthropology to support many of their bizzare claims about the nature of human populations and their relationship to one another, but to blame those fields and the theories developing within them for the rise of Nazism and its outcome, is missing the forest for the trees.
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Old 06-12-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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I don't think that anybody put it any better than Spike Jones.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1583adUqSg
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Old 06-12-2014, 07:10 PM
 
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Of course there were.

First of all, you have a cult of hero worship and one "leader", with no other voices allowed. Also, the man had "a plan". There were similar operations in USSR (Lenin, then Stalin), Italy, and to a lesser extent Brazil, Poland, etc. during the post war period.

Years ago I was fairly interested in the era and read of the general tempo of the different sides. As one writer who lived through the time put it, 'the Nazi's gave us color' where as before there was a gray swamp. Now this was not true for the Jews, leftists, people who crossed Hitler, or even those from his father's home town in Austria. (near Spital IIRC, which soon after the annexation took it over was made into a military base, and immediately obliterating the hamlet for target practice. This was apparently due to rumors of his grandmother's affair with a Jew which led pregnancy, resulting in Adolf's father.)

A good book to read is Hansi, an autobiography of Maria Hirshmann, of the belief and subsequent feelings of betrayal written by a follower (though never an actual party member).

Even in the US, people like George Washington, FDR, and some others were commonly given much larger than life feelings on many people of the time and afterwards. In a sense, you could say many believed these persons were superhuman, though all had large flaws. People completely forgot or were told by others to forget of Washington's 1776 follies. Temporary or end success breeds such thinking even without a dictatorship.
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Old 06-13-2014, 05:28 AM
 
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(near Spital IIRC, which soon after the annexation took it over was made into a military base, and immediately obliterating the hamlet for target practice. This was apparently due to rumors of his grandmother's affair with a Jew which led pregnancy, resulting in Adolf's father.)
He grew up in Braunau am Inn (and surroundings), Leonding and Linz, all of those towns are in Upper Austria. Coincidently, I also grew up in Leonding (where I attended the same elementary school) and Linz and I can assure you that those towns are perfectly intact with historic city centres and all

Plus, there were no major military bases in that region that I'm aware of.
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