What Really Happened To Hitler At The End of WW2? (Russia, German)
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I definitely don't believe the suicide story. An overwhelming number of the official narratives we're fed by the government and mainstream media are total BS. But of course, I'm a conspiracy nut job for saying that.
I definitely don't believe the suicide story. An overwhelming number of the official narratives we're fed by the government and mainstream media are total BS. But of course, I'm a conspiracy nut job for saying that.
That's right.
You are.
First, your ad hominem attack on the purported source of information (the government) is classic conspiracist claptrap - ignore the idea being presented and rail against the presenter of that information. It's also lazy, a cheap cop-out by people who can't be bothered to even understand the evidence being put forth. Second, rejecting something merely because a governmental entity claims it is idiotic. Do you reject hurricane forecasts by the NOAA? Do you disbelieve the 'official narrative' that George Washington was the first President of the United States under the Constitution? Are you suspicious of the government's position that there is no evidence that water is a carcinogen? See? Even you don't believe the ridiculous "If the government says it, it's a lie!" insinuation that you're promulgating. Third, our sources of knowledge of Hitler's suicide aren't the government and the media. They are numerous witness in the bunker, such as Hitlers SS adjutant and his long-time valet, both of whom lived many decades after the war and told their stories to numerous interviewers, historians, and researchers. They are a paper published in the peer-reviewed European Journal of Internal Medicine by French pathologists, analyzing remains taken from the Fuhrerbunker. But because you're too lazy to look beyond the stories by the mainstream media reporting the paper, you've apparently (and ignorantly) concluded that the mainstream media is making the claim when, of course, it's not. Perhaps you should crack open a book or two by actual scientists or historians, instead of thinking that the world is Fox and CNN versus all those wild-eyed blogs you have bookmarked.
Let's face it - if the U.S. government's position was that Hitler had survived the final days in Berlin and slipped away somewhere, you'd be smugly insisted that he'd killed himself and calling anyone who thought differently a dupe.
The official version is that Hitler and his wife committed suicide in the underground bunker before the Russians got there. But there are definitely inconsistencies with the official version. After watching the below what do you think?
Adolf Hitler was a mentally unstable degenerate who had lead his country into a devastating war, looted and pillaged much of Europe, oh an in the process murdered thousands of Jews and others via extermination camps and whatever methods.
When it became clear his glorious dream of a Third Reich was *NOT* going to happen, rather than face that awful truth, the man took a coward's way out.
Added to all that were two things; Hitler was well aware what happened to Mussolini and his mistress, and wasn't going to give the Allies, German people and or especially Stalin/Russians that pleasure.
Hitler and the rest knew of the reports coming in from East by those fleeing in advance/escaping Russian military. That orgy of scorched earth tactics had the Russian military looting, raping, pillaging, murdering and so forth on their clear path to Berlin. More than any of the Allies Germans feared the Russians (and rightly so as it turned out), so that was that.
Hitler and his close circle left it too late for fleeing, and thus were left with few options. They could try and make way to the Americans and surrender, or fight until bitter end which only would prolong things until Russians arrived and captured.
Neither was likely a great option for Hitler. Capture by the Americans or any of the Allies surely would have meant trail for war crimes and certain execution. Capture by the Russians would have meant being hauled deep into Russia as a guest of Stalin where all sorts of "treats" awaited. Eva Braun likely would have been passed around like a lumber camp toy all the way to Russia, and then faced worse; if that is possible.
All in all looking at the prospects Hitler and those who also committed suicide likely felt offing themselves was the best option.
I definitely don't believe the suicide story. An overwhelming number of the official narratives we're fed by the government and mainstream media are total BS. But of course, I'm a conspiracy nut job for saying that.
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Originally Posted by LINative
Agreed.
When confronted with conspiracy theories, people should use a dose of common sense and reason things out for themselves:
- Adolf Hitler was HATED and was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Western Allied soldiers and millions of Russian soldiers, none of the Allied armies were going to protect him.
- Unlike Nazi scientists, some of whom had useful information for nuclear and other weapons programs, Hitler had no useful information.
- If the Allies had felt that Hitler had really escaped, there would have been a massive search and a large reward.
- If anyone tried to harbor Hitler, that person(s) were putting themselves at great personal risk and the chance of being discovered was high.
- Since Hitler likely would have needed help to escape, the chances of his being discovered were increased. Even his own entourage might have turned him in if the reward was high enough or to save their own skins.
WHY? Why would any of the governments of the time want Hitler alive? What possibly could be gained from him?
If they caught him, why would he not be brought to Nuremberg along with his henchmen? The Allied political and military leaders Truman, Churchill, Eisenhower, Zhukov, Montgomery, Roosevelt, Marshall, Brooke, De Gaulle, etc. and above all Stalin, hated the man and wanted to see him fry. Like I said above, who would risk his career, reputation and possibly their very lives to protect someone like Hitler?
And its not just the Allied governments. Can you imagine if Hitler escaped to a neutral country like Sweden or Argentina or Spain? And when the word got out, which is eventually likely - what do you think would happen? Can you imagine if Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Argentina or Chile refused to hand Hitler over, well the words ALLIED INVASION comes to mind.
No one was going to harbor Hitler- possibly the most hated man in World history - after WW2. Not after the tens of millions of deaths, the destruction of most of Europe and the Holocaust.
I definitely don't believe the suicide story. An overwhelming number of the official narratives we're fed by the government and mainstream media are total BS. But of course, I'm a conspiracy nut job for saying that.
There is no reason to not believe the suicide story, what motive would there be to create a story? You think some government kept him alive to build some clone army of Hitler's? What would be the motivation?
The only bit of confusion came from the Soviet's after the war, who wanted to keep the news about Hitler vague for there own campaign of misinformation against the west. But they had an agenda and a reason, and that misinformation lasted only for a few months before even they couldn't withhold the truth on such an event of such magnitude and impact.
You guys with the conspiracy theories always forget two things: 1.) You guys never present a reason, an agenda to explain the purpose of a conspiracy, and 2.) You guys fail to realize that secrets never remain secrets, particularly when so many people may know the truth, even in a repressive society like the Soviet Union.
WHY? Why would any of the governments of the time want Hitler alive? What possibly could be gained from him?
If they caught him, why would he not be brought to Nuremberg along with his henchmen? The Allied political and military leaders Truman, Churchill, Eisenhower, Zhukov, Montgomery, Roosevelt, Marshall, Brooke, De Gaulle, etc. and above all Stalin, hated the man and wanted to see him fry. Like I said above, who would risk his career, reputation and possibly their very lives to protect someone like Hitler?
And its not just the Allied governments. Can you imagine if Hitler escaped to a neutral country like Sweden or Argentina or Spain? And when the word got out, which is eventually likely - what do you think would happen? Can you imagine if Sweden, Ireland, Switzerland, Argentina or Chile refused to hand Hitler over, well the words ALLIED INVASION comes to mind.
No one was going to harbor Hitler- possibly the most hated man in World history - after WW2. Not after the tens of millions of deaths, the destruction of most of Europe and the Holocaust.
Argentina along with other South American countries (and a few Europeans) gave refuge to many Nazis/Germany military; but that is far as things would have gone. Not even the Roman Catholic church who was very active in those efforts would have assisted and or otherwise offered succor to Adolf Hitler and the Braun woman.
Russian military (more than they already were) would have reduced, looted, raped and otherwise destroyed Germany until or unless Hitler was found as the saying goes "dead or alive". Any town, hamlet, village or whatever ever remotely rumored to be harboring the man would have been reduced to rubble, women and young girls abused in most criminal manner, and men shipped off with other of their countrymen to Russian prisons or camps.
Even the Perons with all their affection for Germans/former Nazis post WWII would have known it would be suicide for Argentina to get involved with hiding/hosting or whatever Adolf Hitler.
Finally as already stated, a megalomaniac like AH is not one to go somewhere and remain quiet. Just like Napoleon the man would hardly accept exile and likely would plot or scheme some sort of come back. That alone would have outed where he was and who was giving him assistance. Then the rough wooing would have begun as the Allies and everyone else piled onto said country or whatever until they gave Hitler up.
Today, 30 April 2020, marks the 75th anniversary of Hitler's suicide which occurred at approximately 3:15 PM on 30 April 1945 in his bunker in Berlin. Story in the WaPo, here.
Excerpt: "Adolf Hitler entered his underground study with his wife, Eva Braun. He had already said farewell to his servants and poisoned his dog. Gasoline for his cremation had been sent for. He had his pistol. Eva had cyanide. He wore his Nazi uniform jacket and black trousers. She wore a blue dress trimmed in white. They closed the door and sat beside each other on a small couch. He was 56. She was 33. They had been married for a day and a half. It was 3:15 p.m. on April 30, 1945. Seventy-five years ago Thursday. No sound was heard from the study, according to historian Ian Kershaw. Aboveground, Berlin was being leveled by Russian artillery, as the epic catastrophe Hitler had launched six years earlier neared its bloody end."
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I thought I read years ago where Hitler had lamented to someone that, if he was captured, he'd be paraded "naked in a cage" through the streets of Moscow. It's also well documented that Hitler was an emotional mess in the end. I have zero doubt that Hitler did, indeed, commit suicide.
He CLEARLY lives in Argentina. The Simpsons told me so.
He shares a ski chalet in the Andes with John Wilkes Booth.
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