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During the Cold War period the elite of the West was constantly afraid that communist ideology might reach the West and become sympathetic to the common people of the West. In some Western countries from Italy to Finland their communist and left parties received so many votes in the elections. In general this forced West European societies to make significant concessions to the common people and thus actually it built on the foundation for the welfare society of modern Western Europe.
Yes. Massive concessions were made to the people, and not only in Western Europe. This obviously also affected Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. The United States itself gave concessions like women’s rights and civil rights that otherwise wouldn’t have happened. Before the higher education act in the 1960s financial aid really didn’t happen and top universities only admitted white males.
That the U.S. is funding. And that traces more to corporatist views that predated "capitalism." Capitalism really only was a factor in the UK and other English-speaking countries.
The US does not fund social benefits such as public transportation, education, or healthcare in Europe. Regional and national governments do, and so does the European Union. Various taxes take care of that.
The US does not fund social benefits such as public transportation, education, or healthcare in Europe. Regional and national governments do, and so does the European Union. Various taxes take care of that.
But they don't fund defense. That frees up lots of revenues for social virtue.
But they don't fund defense. That frees up lots of revenues for social virtue.
That's not true either. They do fund defense. European nations even contribute to US missions. Britain may not have taken the lead but they helped out big time in the US's campaigns in the Middle East.
France helped out big time when the US and France basically removed people from power.
Yes, Europeans fund defense, yes, they have militaries.
The US military presence in Europe dates to the post WW2 order, which the US maintains out of it's own security and economic interests.
After seeing guys like garbagechev, yeltsin etc dealing with a Ballsy and Intelligent leader who can crush radical separatist terror, export gas to Europe and sell S-400 to a NATO state like Turkey is something of a giant koolaid to many liberals .
No, it is not. You cannot equal 50 years of absolute waste to super development in any fast period. During cold war one western german land of Hessen had bigger gdp than whole east germany. Communism is the most disastrous economical system in the history. To think that you can even the damage in any fast way is naive. The truth is Germany is rich and Russia is poor and Germany poorest regions are still much better off than russian poorest regions. If you do not believe me, then travel to east germany and than to siberia and see the difference for yourself and see how life is there. Russians themselves chose the communist system ( by letting bolsheviks take the power and doing nothing about that) contrary to the rest of the europe, which was forced under this system after world war 2, so they can only blame themselves for that.
And going back to so called "german russians". They picked Germany simply because their partial ancestry made it easier for them to immigrate there than let's say to France or Netherlands. Thats it. If you do not believe me, then travel to Siberia, where those people were moved from volga area and try to speak with them in german and see how much they will understand. Their link to Germany is non existent except that some of them can have german surnames. They are culturally russians and only russians
And what those nice pictures from Siberia prove? Seriously you can find nice pictures from Nigeria, Romania, Cuba, basically from every underdeveloped nation. It does not prove anything.
Your trouble is that you can not objectively look at things and you think by cliches and stereotypes that exist in the West. I understand that into your head all your life hammered that communism is evil, Russia is evil, Russian all thieves and drunkards... As indeed and us, too, most about the US and the West in a whole. But the world has changed, and it can no longer be said that the West is completely dominant. And you don't want to or can't admit it. And as for immigrants, now more and more people began to return back from Germany, the United States and other countries. Because the standard of living in Russia has approached the standard of living in the West. I do not speak. that he's level, but he's substantially closer.
Your trouble is that you can not objectively look at things and you think by cliches and stereotypes that exist in the West. I understand that into your head all your life hammered that communism is evil, Russia is evil, Russian all thieves and drunkards... As indeed and us, too, most about the US and the West in a whole. But the world has changed, and it can no longer be said that the West is completely dominant. And you don't want to or can't admit it. And as for immigrants, now more and more people began to return back from Germany, the United States and other countries. Because the standard of living in Russia has approached the standard of living in the West. I do not speak. that he's level, but he's substantially closer.
The trend that I currently notice is that the Russians that used to come to America "to make money" in mid-range to low range income jobs are heading home/not interested to go to US any longer, because they took note of the growing COL ( cost of living in US) and lagging wages.
A lot of Americans are in denial about that ( I can see it in Political section of the forum,) but it is what it is, and Russians see less and less differences with making money back home.
The only ones that are still willing to relocate, are top notch specialists, where the salaries are still making difference, but they too have to consider leaving extended families/friends behind, plus the knowledge of foreign language, plus the perks that ( I am sure) the military complex in Russia offers them in order to retain them, so...
Your trouble is that you can not objectively look at things and you think by cliches and stereotypes that exist in the West. I understand that into your head all your life hammered that communism is evil, Russia is evil, Russian all thieves and drunkards... As indeed and us, too, most about the US and the West in a whole. But the world has changed, and it can no longer be said that the West is completely dominant. And you don't want to or can't admit it. And as for immigrants, now more and more people began to return back from Germany, the United States and other countries. Because the standard of living in Russia has approached the standard of living in the West. I do not speak. that he's level, but he's substantially closer.
I never said that Russia is evil and all russians are thieves. You just said that. I just compared standard of life there with western first world countries by using gdp per capita rankings also by human development rankings, corruption index, life expectancy rankings, cost of living/average wages ratio so not by any stereotypes but by actual figures and statistics. And Russia is not close to western first world countries when it comes to standard of life if you look at that matter objectively by using various statistics, research.
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That's not true either. They do fund defense. European nations even contribute to US missions. Britain may not have taken the lead but they helped out big time in the US's campaigns in the Middle East.
France helped out big time when the US and France basically removed people from power.
Yes, Europeans fund defense, yes, they have militaries.
The US military presence in Europe dates to the post WW2 order, which the US maintains out of it's own security and economic interests.
The Euros fund very little in relation to their GDP.....everyone knows we take care of them, and the Canadians.....that allows them to fund their special little social programs. Let's pull the US out of Europe and see how they do....
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