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Old 12-17-2008, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Legend of Sleepy Hollow
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Real history can only be discussed in a Bible college, or else in a science fiction forum, such as George Orwell "1984" book or Aldous Huxley "Brave New World" book.
Nothing can be discussed in a "for profit", big business, history forum unless the story was first broken in the New York Times or Los Angeles Times or Washington Post, however long ago.
Conflicts of interest inherent in big business do guarantee that little history lies will turn into a big lie will turn into holocaust denial.
Big government judges in USA are so very illiterate nowadays, because of diploma mill, ivy league, fraternity colleges, and two party politics, that they believe a monopoly market is true capitalism.

Small business.
Small government.
Get religious with states' rights.
One nation under GOD.
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:48 PM
 
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Huh?
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Old 12-18-2008, 05:14 AM
 
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Somebody's been getting into the Wild Turkey.
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Old 12-18-2008, 06:55 AM
 
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Real history can only be discussed in a Bible college, or else in a science fiction forum, such as George Orwell "1984" book or Aldous Huxley "Brave New World" book.
Nothing can be discussed in a "for profit", big business, history forum unless the story was first broken in the New York Times or Los Angeles Times or Washington Post, however long ago.
Conflicts of interest inherent in big business do guarantee that little history lies will turn into a big lie will turn into holocaust denial.
Big government judges in USA are so very illiterate nowadays, because of diploma mill, ivy league, fraternity colleges, and two party politics, that they believe a monopoly market is true capitalism.

Small business.
Small government.
Get religious with states' rights.
One nation under GOD.

Well, although this is not a "for profit" forum, as we are only discussing things, not publishing our opinions in a book..(at least I don't think we are).
There is a point here...
This has been discussed in a thread "Who Writes History?"
Two people don't always see things and events in the same way. And for older history we do, up to a point, have to rely on what was written at the time..which, depending on who wrote it, can shade the facts.
As has been said "The Victor writes History".. Most people who read alot of history are aware that every event described by Herodotus in the 5th century BCE is not true today. Not because he lied, but because these were the facts as he saw them with the limited knowledge he had at the time. As new discoveries are made.. the facts are updated. We are still investigating the past with all sorts of new tools.. DNA, new testing methods.etc.
That is what is so interesting about history...the entire story will never come to an end like a novel...
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I would cite James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom" as a work which puts lie to charges that something cannot be accurate, comprehensive, intellectual, critically praised by both professional historians and professional book reviewers...and a huge commercial triumph for the author.

I think cpg had the straight of matters here with the Wild Turkey theory.
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Old 12-31-2008, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Legend of Sleepy Hollow
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I think cpg had the straight of matters here with the Wild Turkey theory.

Is that what Charles De Gaulle did drink, or was it Ulysses Simpson Grant?
Of course, I do admire Black Jack Pershing, who lost much of his conflict of interest in a fire.

Let me be sarcastic for to agree with you on the Wild Turkey theory.
Of course, a madman such as "Big Lie" Nazi party, monopoly, Furher Adolf Hitler, or Emperor Napoleon, or roman empire Godfather Caesar, could never happen in our day and age.
World War Two was the great war to end all wars.
We will never have to worry about anti trust laws or the Smoot Hawley act again.
ATT broke up same as Standard Oil, at least until Baby Bell Southwestern married Ma Bell in a merger.
Yup, Charles de Gaulle must have been drunk to question the wisdom of the Paris elite who did control the media that only said "nice things" about Nazis, same as all the media of the day did say only "nice things" about King Ahab and Queen Jezebel, or King Herod, or Pontius Pilate.
Two party incumbancy is all a that any nation does need.
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Old 12-31-2008, 07:24 AM
 
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Ohhhhhhhkay, yeahhh sure.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Legend of Sleepy Hollow
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I would cite James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom" as a work which puts lie to charges that something cannot be accurate, comprehensive, intellectual, critically praised by both professional historians and professional book reviewers...and a huge commercial triumph for the author.

I think cpg had the straight of matters here with the Wild Turkey theory.
The real "Wild Turkey" theory:
Crazy People (1990)
Crazy People" is about an advertising executive who goes schizophrenic and starts writing "honest ... The film could have done without a subplot involving a romance between Dudley Moore and ...
Crazy People (1990)
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I will try to put James McPherson's "Battle Cry of Freedom", that popular, mass media, mass market, bestseller on my bookshelf alongside
"An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of The United States" by
Charles A. Beard and Mary Ritter Beard
... weaves his interpretation of the economic history. Throughout his book ...
Amazon.com:
Amazon.com: An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution of The United States: Charles A. Beard: Books
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:59 AM
 
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Everyone has a conflict of interest when it comes to history, though in my opinion politicians and governments tend to be more biased than the for-profit media. The solution is to allow unlimited freedom of speech and let the various theories compete with no centrally-enforced orthodoxy. Though nothing can ever be known for certain, this is the environment in which the truth is most likely to prevail.
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Old 01-16-2009, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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History is written by the victor.

And it takes a bloody long time for any other version to come to light
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