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Great goaltender-yes.Good role model-no;but who cares
Who cares ? People with some morals and character ? Throw in his wife and kids and of course his mother and father ? Personally, I'd rather have the love and respect of my family than a bunch of drunken fans in an arena. Despite his accomplishments on ice hes only brought dishonor on himself, his family and his parents for his uncontrolled behavior.
As for the infidelity that's between him and his wife.The fact that it became public just shows you what are idiotic society thrives on.
I'm sure he didn't wish for his behavior to become public but when your a public figure and you cheat you run that risk....he apparently didn't care about that risk, his image or his family and the fact that he cheated with his wifes sister is just downright creepy.
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I'm sure he didn't wish for his behavior to become public but when your a public figure and you cheat you run that risk....he apparently didn't care about that risk, his image or his family and the fact that he cheated with his wifes sister is just downright creepy.
I'll say it again,it doesn't take away from his performance in games. You have many athletes in all sports that are idiots in everyday life. Michael Jordan was a degenerate gambler but does that take away from him being the best ever? No,it doesn't. Barry Bonds is one of the best hitters of all time and whether he used steroids or not he would still be high on the HR list but when it comes to public interaction with him,he's a piece of garbage.It just makes them human. I know what you're saying about being role models but it depends on the individual.Some take it seriously while others play the game,rake in the money,and don't care about their perception.
I'll say it again,it doesn't take away from his performance in games. You have many athletes in all sports that are idiots in everyday life. Michael Jordan was a degenerate gambler but does that take away from him being the best ever? No,it doesn't. Barry Bonds is one of the best hitters of all time and whether he used steroids or not he would still be high on the HR list but when it comes to public interaction with him,he's a piece of garbage.It just makes them human. I know what you're saying about being role models but it depends on the individual.Some take it seriously while others play the game,rake in the money,and don't care about their perception.
Gambling is a problem if its to excess.....however, I have no idea what "excess" is with Jordan type money but losing control at a casino is a situation that anyone can find themselves in.....it doesn't mean you lack morals or character and Mr. Jordan is the only victim of his behavior ?
Bonds ? Well.......geeze....his head is the size of a watermelon and no matter how much he "accomplished" on the field or the fact it will be entered into the record books the validity of those accomplishments will always be in question because his watermelon sized head screams "I CHEATED" !!! Again....his shame is his to carry alone.
Mr. Brodeur on the other hand, despite his on ice accomplishments, much like Mr. Woods felt he was entitled to cheat on his loyal wife and children to satisfy his own needs first only he took it one creepy step further and cheated with his wifes sister. Because he thought soley of himself his wife and children and the husband and children of his wifes sister along with all the parents involved suffered deeply emotionally and will suffer emotionally the rest of their lives for his selfishness. He shattered the happiness of two families and all the children involved......you only get one childhood and theirs is ruined. I'm sorry, but how do you look past that and say "But gee.....he played a great game last night" ?
The one thing that I can say is that there is not 1 team on the planet where all guys are on the up and up with their relationships including loyalty to their spouses,and that includes your Flyers. That is why I can separate the 2. I can make a statement saying how well a goalie performed,but I am also intelligent enough to know the difference between an athletic performance and the ethics of an individual.There's nothing wrong with saying Tiger Woods is a great golfer,but personally I will never go to one of his events or put money towards anything involving him. Now if Brodeur was a Flyer all this time,would we be having the same conversation? You'll probably tell me yes,but sometimes fans prioritize when it's their own guy.I personally separate the 2 no matter if they're on my team or not.
The one thing that I can say is that there is not 1 team on the planet where all guys are on the up and up with their relationships including loyalty to their spouses,and that includes your Flyers. That is why I can separate the 2. I can make a statement saying how well a goalie performed,but I am also intelligent enough to know the difference between an athletic performance and the ethics of an individual.There's nothing wrong with saying Tiger Woods is a great golfer,but personally I will never go to one of his events or put money towards anything involving him. Now if Brodeur was a Flyer all this time,would we be having the same conversation? You'll probably tell me yes,but sometimes fans prioritize when it's their own guy.I personally separate the 2 no matter if they're on my team or not.
I'm sorry but no matter how many excuses you trot out to rationalize the selfish, creepy behavior of Brodeur, or any athelte, I just can't buy into it......the whole foundation of your theory is build upon the notion that many others cheat on their wives and that somehow makes it acceptable on some level and its not. Being famous in sports doesn't give you a free ticket to hurt people or cheat or so something illegal but still not have your "professional" image tarnished. This approach is part of whats wrong in this country.....too many excuses being offered for unacceptable behavior by children, adults, sports figures and politicians and its got to stop.
I'm sorry but no matter how many excuses you trot out to rationalize the selfish, creepy behavior of Brodeur, or any athelte, I just can't buy into it......the whole foundation of your theory is build upon the notion that many others cheat on their wives and that somehow makes it acceptable on some level and its not. Being famous in sports doesn't give you a free ticket to hurt people or cheat or so something illegal but still not have your "professional" image tarnished. This approach is part of whats wrong in this country.....too many excuses being offered for unacceptable behavior by children, adults, sports figures and politicians and its got to stop.
#1 did I ever glorify what he did or consider it acceptable,NO! So don't try putting words in my mouth.Athletes are alotted what common people are not which is second and third chances.Tiger cheated with over 10 women. I don't know about you,but if that was me,my wife would have killed me and cleaned out all the accounts;but for him,a simple apology and 6 months down the road it will be pushed aside and his ability will be all that matters.Do I agree with that,no! I have much higher moral standards but can see a hockey game and say a guy had a good game but still know he is a P.O.S.I can separate the two.I can acknowledge someone ability in a sport but not line their pockets by buying their memorabilia or paying their salaries by attending the games. I personally think as a society that it has turned to crap with everyone constantly looking to see the car wreck on the side of the road. Athletes are treated like they are above the law and considering the punishments handed down by courts,usually it proves it.That being said I would bet that any team in all the sports does not have an entirely clean/honest team. Now what would your attitude be if Brodeur was a Flyer all along? I hope your position would be the same.
#1 did I ever glorify what he did or consider it acceptable,NO! So don't try putting words in my mouth.Athletes are alotted what common people are not which is second and third chances.Tiger cheated with over 10 women. I don't know about you,but if that was me,my wife would have killed me and cleaned out all the accounts;but for him,a simple apology and 6 months down the road it will be pushed aside and his ability will be all that matters.Do I agree with that,no! I have much higher moral standards but can see a hockey game and say a guy had a good game but still know he is a P.O.S.I can separate the two.I can acknowledge someone ability in a sport but not line their pockets by buying their memorabilia or paying their salaries by attending the games. I personally think as a society that it has turned to crap with everyone constantly looking to see the car wreck on the side of the road. Athletes are treated like they are above the law and considering the punishments handed down by courts,usually it proves it.That being said I would bet that any team in all the sports does not have an entirely clean/honest team. Now what would your attitude be if Brodeur was a Flyer all along? I hope your position would be the same.
I'm sorry but I can't separate the two.....I see Brodeur standing on the ice and I see a cheater.......I see Bonds on the field with a head the size of a watermelon and I see a cheater......I see Tiger Woods holding a golf club and I see a cheater....and don't even ask me what I think of Michael Vick even though the Eagles signed him. Again....your suggesting that if Brodeur played for your team his behavior could be overlooked and I would tell you while its probably true for many its really a sad commentary. Personally.....I'm not a religious type of guy but selfish behavior that results in people (or animals) getting hurt really turns me off.......I prefer not be around people who lack morals and character as they genrally lower the character of those around them before those with character elevate the character of those lacking it. Lets forget for a minute the shortsighted perception of a fan of a fan who just wants to win at any cost and tell me how you think Brodeurs children perceive him ? Do you think they care about his last great game or just the fact their dad is a cheater who took away the happiness of their only childhood. He may stand in the lime light when hes on the ice but I wonder what he feels when he looks into his childrens eyes ?
I'm sorry but I can't separate the two.....I see Brodeur standing on the ice and I see a cheater.......I see Bonds on the field with a head the size of a watermelon and I see a cheater......I see Tiger Woods holding a golf club and I see a cheater....and don't even ask me what I think of Michael Vick even though the Eagles signed him. Again....your suggesting that if Brodeur played for your team his behavior could be overlooked and I would tell you while its probably true for many its really a sad commentary. Personally.....I'm not a religious type of guy but selfish behavior that results in people (or animals) getting hurt really turns me off.......I prefer not be around people who lack morals and character as they genrally lower the character of those around them before those with character elevate the character of those lacking it. Lets forget for a minute the shortsighted perception of a fan of a fan who just wants to win at any cost and tell me how you think Brodeurs children perceive him ? Do you think they care about his last great game or just the fact their dad is a cheater who took away the happiness of their only childhood. He may stand in the lime light when hes on the ice but I wonder what he feels when he looks into his childrens eyes ?
Well considering you and me will never be invited over for dinner,I can't answer that. Also we don't know how his family is now. I've had players on my teams before that have done bad things and i'm happy when they win but at the same time I show no support.I'm a Yankee fan and I remember when Clemens used us to drive up his price,then he went to Toronto.I never forgot that,and that was nowhere near what Brodeur has done. As far as his kids go,who knows how they feel about him? You still haven't answered me though. If Brodeur was a Flyer all this time,what would you do? Would you still be a Flyer fan,or what?
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