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[quote=jencam;51884044]IDK about getting rid of HOAs, but the total lack of oversight is bad. There is not a single agency one can go to for any assistance. I think that should change. As you say, one has to sue and responsible homeowners don't want to sue. If it can be avoided, suing is not in the best interests of the association./QUOTE]
This is what I am saying.. have a gov't agency you can go to with complaints. Right now HOAs have nothing and no one holding them accountable.
Sometimes members of my board go and do things behind my back and no one holds them accountable. A few weeks ago three of the four members of the board ordered action and one member went behind our back and told the property manager not to.
So the oversight is horrible just within the board.
I seriously want to propose to my condo that we end the board and just have a trusted chief executive, me, run the board. I have been on the board for years now and having more than one person on the board just slows progress down. They come up with dumb ideas, don't do the work they are supposed to, don't even respond on a timely basis...
IMHO also another problem is that HOAs are the only thing that we give power to people without any sort of qualifications. I have people on my board who couldn't be elected dog catcher. And they act like it.
IDK about getting rid of HOAs, but the total lack of oversight is bad. There is not a single agency one can go to for any assistance. I think that should change. As you say, one has to sue and responsible homeowners don't want to sue. If it can be avoided, suing is not in the best interests of the association./QUOTE]
This is what I am saying.. have a gov't agency you can go to with complaints. Right now HOAs have nothing and no one holding them accountable.
Sometimes members of my board go and do things behind my back and no one holds them accountable. A few weeks ago three of the four members of the board ordered action and one member went behind our back and told the property manager not to.
So the oversight is horrible just within the board.
I seriously want to propose to my condo that we end the board and just have a trusted chief executive, me, run the board. I have been on the board for years now and having more than one person on the board just slows progress down. They come up with dumb ideas, don't do the work they are supposed to, don't even respond on a timely basis...
IMHO also another problem is that HOAs are the only thing that we give power to people without any sort of qualifications. I have people on my board who couldn't be elected dog catcher. And they act like it.
Emily, you are a hoot!
As far as rogue board members, you don't want to just vote them off? The lack of qualifications is scary. This board was heavily reliant on their attorney, which at least to me is better than not seeking guidance, but some are mad at the cost of that.
Emily, you are a hoot! As far as rogue board members, you don't want to just vote them off? The lack of qualifications is scary. This board was heavily reliant on their attorney, which at least to me is better than not seeking guidance, but some are mad at the cost of that.
My condo is so small and pathetic that anyone who runs gets on because if positions are vacant for more than 6 weeks, you can just get the job if you want it.
I just planted with some of the residents the idea of recall one of the trustees. He does not understand the job and it is interfering with there ability to get things done. But they don't think they could get 51% of the apathetic residents to get rid of him.
My condo is so small and pathetic that anyone who runs gets on because if positions are vacant for more than 6 weeks, you can just get the job if you want it.
I just planted with some of the residents the idea of recall one of the trustees. He does not understand the job and it is interfering with there ability to get things done. But they don't think they could get 51% of the apathetic residents to get rid of him.
My condo is so small and pathetic that anyone who runs gets on because if positions are vacant for more than 6 weeks, you can just get the job if you want it.
I just planted with some of the residents the idea of recall one of the trustees. He does not understand the job and it is interfering with there ability to get things done. But they don't think they could get 51% of the apathetic residents to get rid of him.
I meant other board members. Here, board members by majority can vote someone away. I think ours has to have a replacement to do that, but possibly not, as another section of our by-laws say that the President or VP can control a vacant spot. You, particularly, would like to fill in a vacancy, since you don't want to bother with other board members!
We do get a good turn out for 'National Night Out' and the Christmas party, maybe because goodies? IDK, they do ours pretty fun. They don't even offer water at meetings, maybe that is part of the problem.
My condo is so small and pathetic that anyone who runs gets on because if positions are vacant for more than 6 weeks, you can just get the job if you want it.
I just planted with some of the residents the idea of recall one of the trustees. He does not understand the job and it is interfering with there ability to get things done. But they don't think they could get 51% of the apathetic residents to get rid of him.
That's the thing. Seems like quite a few people buying in a HOA area do that for a feeling of having everything taken care of. Even if it's just grass areas. Could also be sports areas, children's play area close enough so they don't have to go far. On the face of it it seems good and I know people who said going in they thought it was a great idea. But when they find out the problems, they don't know to know too much or do too much about them because they moved there for the opposite reason...not doing much about things.
From what I have heard from acquaintances and from reading on places like this, I don't think even a large special assessment because of mistakes made by a board will even rock that boat.
I meant other board members. Here, board members by majority can vote someone away. I think ours has to have a replacement to do that, but possibly not, as another section of our by-laws say that the President or VP can control a vacant spot.
No my docs only allow removal by a vote of 51% of the residents.
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they don't know to know too much or do too much about them because they moved there for the opposite reason...not doing much about things.
That is a great point. Just another reason an HOA is a failed model. My condo has the most insane thing.. there is NO records kept from one board to another. I believe it is because some residents are like "well you will come running back to me" once they get off the board but also, just frankly, there is no central person who will even take that responsibility on to bridge the boards. NOT even the property manager. He is no fool. He knows if his board knows nothing he can control them.
Every time I ask him for anything from prior boards.. he doesn't have it.
One of our projects is finding a way to keep this information.
That's the thing. Seems like quite a few people buying in a HOA area do that for a feeling of having everything taken care of. Even if it's just grass areas. Could also be sports areas, children's play area close enough so they don't have to go far. On the face of it it seems good and I know people who said going in they thought it was a great idea. But when they find out the problems, they don't know to know too much or do too much about them because they moved there for the opposite reason...not doing much about things.
From what I have heard from acquaintances and from reading on places like this, I don't think even a large special assessment because of mistakes made by a board will even rock that boat.
You are probably spot on. Why move to a place where everything is taken care of for you, and then take on responsibility for EVERYONE, and face the ire that comes with getting involved.
I feel stung like I stepped into a Hornets nest, since the people that do like to be in charge of things are wild and crazy about it. !
I guess the experience I am having, if it were possible to get out of HOA and take on responsibility for just my stuff would seem far superior.
Now the candidate bios are up, and the answer to the question of how they will handle their fake budget is answered. The VP wants to take out a loan. Jesus. I'd rather bite the bullet on their overspending and just pay it in dues or special assessment. I don't want to kick the can down the road and add interest in.
But it's politically smart even though it's financially stupid. Dues increase or special assessment would make people mad and to cause them to say STOP SPENDING. Or, worse for them, want them out. They campaigned on saving us money.
Why would anyone want to live under an HOA? It's like high school all over again. The popular kids run it, and if you aren't part of the in-group, you get bullied.
Second that. Think of the most mean, intolerant, and judgmental old person you know and imagine a whole room of them with absolute power over what you can do with your home. No thanks. Here in Illinois the govt is bad enough.
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