02-03-2011, 03:14 PM
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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NCAA requires a large stadium venue for the Final Four. The last time the Final Four was held at in actual basketball arena was back in 1996. Since then, you have had the Final Four in San Antonio, Atlanta, Tampa, New Orleans, Indianapolis, Detroit, and a couple others.
02-03-2011, 03:18 PM
Location: Fondren SW Yo
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I had no idea Toyota only held about 18,000. But I guess it makes sense. Watching a basketball game is more enjoyable in a smaller venue so that even in the nose bleeds you can still see what's going on without having to watch a screen.
Agreed. But the Final Four is an event on par with the World Series/Superbowl, etc. People go to be a part of the overall event, not just see the game. SO they get huge crowds.
02-03-2011, 03:28 PM
Location: ITL (Houston)
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I had no idea Toyota only held about 18,000. But I guess it makes sense. Watching a basketball game is more enjoyable in a smaller venue so that even in the nose bleeds you can still see what's going on without having to watch a screen.
Most Final Fours nowadays are in big stadiums. More money for the greedy NCAA.
02-04-2011, 12:16 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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I had no idea Toyota only held about 18,000. But I guess it makes sense. Watching a basketball game is more enjoyable in a smaller venue so that even in the nose bleeds you can still see what's going on without having to watch a screen.
The Final Four, and many tile games are not about a viewing experience for the attendee (unless your in a suite). Its about generating $$$ and looking good for television.
02-04-2011, 08:39 PM
Location: ATX-HOU
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Most Final Fours nowadays are in big stadiums. More money for the greedy NCAA.
Huh? More money for the cities hosting the games when more people travel and stay too. Without researching it, I'm not sure the NCAA is for profit? I don't doubt there are bribes and other deals made, but I'm not sure it is for profit.
02-04-2011, 09:47 PM
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Yeah, looks you should research the NCAA and how greedy and secretly corrupt of an organization it is. Definitely isn't the cities. Lmao.
02-04-2011, 11:49 PM
Location: ATX-HOU
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Yeah, looks you should research the NCAA and how greedy and secretly corrupt of an organization it is. Definitely isn't the cities. Lmao.
Yeah a quick wikipedia read didn't highlight any glaring controversies but whatever.
I would think the reasons for having it in have a stadium with +70,000 capacity compared to 20,000 would be clear. More people spending money to reach Houston (air, bus, car), stay in Houston, and eat/drink in Houston; not to mention the media coverage. Seems like the cities get nice part of the pie.
02-05-2011, 02:10 AM
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Yeah a quick wikipedia read didn't highlight any glaring controversies but whatever.
Absolutely none of that. The NCAA just wants more money. Always been that way since they started using football stadiums for Final Fours. It has nothing to do with more people visiting Houston and I suggest not using Wikipedia. It's why cities without covered football stadiums don't host Final Fours anymore. They may host regionals, or earlier rounds, but that's it.
02-05-2011, 02:14 PM
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Absolutely none of that. The NCAA just wants more money. Always been that way since they started using football stadiums for Final Fours. It has nothing to do with more people visiting Houston and I suggest not using Wikipedia. It's why cities without covered football stadiums don't host Final Fours anymore. They may host regionals, or earlier rounds, but that's it.
Still not following you...
Football Stadiums = greatest capacity
Final Four's popularity (along with college sports in general) has risen greatly over the past 2 decades.
So... why is it devious and corrupt to want a larger venue to have the Final Four at? Again I don't doubt that the NCAA has been involved in corruption and what not. But I don't see how the football stadiums have anything to do with it.
02-05-2011, 04:10 PM
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I watched on Baylor play in Reliant not too long ago on TV and it looked odd with all those empty seats. Wish they could have played at Toyota.
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Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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