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If Sugar Land is so great, why did its namesake leave?
I tend to agree with Mr. Football on this. I suppose if The Woodlands were actually an incorporated city, they'd be ahead of Sugar Land by a mile or two.
The wooded green spaces of Spring, The Woodlands, Klein, Kingwood, Cypress, et al are much more conducive to a toplist of small towns in which to live.
Don't get me wrong, Sugar Land has its place--it is a nifty little city and has a neat history to it (which hopefully will be well preserved in the years to come)...I just don't know if it truly earns a #3 spot on any list.
Why did the sugarl company leave? IT went out of business... Many sugar refineries closed the same year.. . even the one in Kauai which was the main employer of the island... The SUgar businesses changed.
All sugar refineries in USA went out of business... Corn syrup is cheaper... I prefer the taste of refined sugar cane over corn syrup. That is why. Sugarland is no longer sugarland.. its become a burb.
but it is closer to Houston than the Woodlands or it seems to be. Woodlands is just too artificial for me. Never got over that image. Kingwood is just a misfit place in the middle of acres of trailer houses around Humble..
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If Sugar Land is so great, why did its namesake leave?
I tend to agree with Mr. Football on this. I suppose if The Woodlands were actually an incorporated city, they'd be ahead of Sugar Land by a mile or two.
The wooded green spaces of Spring, The Woodlands, Klein, Kingwood, Cypress, et al are much more conducive to a toplist of small towns in which to live.
Don't get me wrong, Sugar Land has its place--it is a nifty little city and has a neat history to it (which hopefully will be well preserved in the years to come)...I just don't know if it truly earns a #3 spot on any list.
Artificial? You live in Houston. WTF are you smoking?
Kingwood in the midst of acres of trailer houses? You live in Houston, surrounded by acres of crack houses.
If you don't understand the lure or the appeal of the burbs, you probably haven't raised your own children. Raising children requires a safe environment, room to run, and good schools. For every jackass that moans about suburban sprawl and the right of the city to suck every penny it can from the suburb like a feudalistic lord, I'll say that the city wouldn't have all of the nice Fortune 500 companies, gleaming skyscrapers, and healthy corporate tax base if it weren't for those attractive suburbs and the educated, suburbanites who make those companies work.
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Drug crime is 60% in the burbs.. only 40% in the inner city.... Times have changed.. Read the crime stats. Remember the Kingwood drill team girls who robbed da doughnut shop iwth automatic rifles... charming!
There is an old Chinese proverb... " a bed in the city is better than a palace in the countryside"
attractive suburbs? you mean Plan 1 - plan 4 (your choice of 3 bricks on the outside?) that attractive? Hehehehe... Cul De sacs are known as neighborhood cultural incest. You can't get out of the circle LOL ONe street OUT! Same mindset, no creativity, latchkey teens who buy drugs over the internet because mom and dad are commuting home 2 hrs each way . Kids are clueless what their parents do!
Lots of those employees at the fortune 500 live in the loop and in lofts, midrises and highrises.
Each is like a small city to its own.. The new luxury Hi rises have their own olympic pool, spa, stores, salons, athletic centers... community centers inside one building. All they haveto do is hop skip and jump to work. Gas prices? Hehehehe.. We keep cars for 10 yrs and still have under 100,000 miles.
Now many are taking two hi rise condos in the older ones and combining two to be up to 4,000 sq ft.
Inner Loop is way cool!
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Artificial? You live in Houston. WTF are you smoking?
Kingwood in the midst of acres of trailer houses? You live in Houston, surrounded by acres of crack houses.
If you don't understand the lure or the appeal of the burbs, you probably haven't raised your own children. Raising children requires a safe environment, room to run, and good schools. For every jackass that moans about suburban sprawl and the right of the city to suck every penny it can from the suburb like a feudalistic lord, I'll say that the city wouldn't have all of the nice Fortune 500 companies, gleaming skyscrapers, and healthy corporate tax base if it weren't for those attractive suburbs and the educated, suburbanites who make those companies work.
I remember my one... count them ONE trip to Kingwood. We missed the exit and the next exit took us straight into the land of trailer parks and the on site location for the Texas Chain Saw Massacre Hehehehe... it took 30 minutes late at night to find our way back to the exit to Kingwood... Our of a reunion which usually 50 people usually meet, only 4 of us showed up.. and two of us got lost! And most of us got nose bleeds when we went through the Kingwood entrance. No one wanted to go there.
We never went to another party there again. Its always our shampoo day when we get invites to Kingwood.
If you are interested I could tell you the story of a gang of Kingwood that went around fire bombing cars... and the sheriffs office finally found out who the kids were... if you want to know... just ask
Got to love those Kingwood kids...
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Originally Posted by Mr. Football
Artificial? You live in Houston. WTF are you smoking?
Kingwood in the midst of acres of trailer houses? You live in Houston, surrounded by acres of crack houses.
If you don't understand the lure or the appeal of the burbs, you probably haven't raised your own children. Raising children requires a safe environment, room to run, and good schools. For every jackass that moans about suburban sprawl and the right of the city to suck every penny it can from the suburb like a feudalistic lord, I'll say that the city wouldn't have all of the nice Fortune 500 companies, gleaming skyscrapers, and healthy corporate tax base if it weren't for those attractive suburbs and the educated, suburbanites who make those companies work.
Yetti0 as far as drug crime goes I am with you and I'm in AZ. I think so much emphasis is placed on violent crime (for good reason) but under the surface the burbs are teeming with illicit activity. When I went to an affluent (at that time) high school in Mesa I went to sooooo many parties where drugs were rampant and we're not just talking weed. This was before the crack era too so you can imagine that it wasn't the "hood" kids that were toting this stuff around. Oh and don't even get me started on Meth and Ecstasy. That's our best kept secret out here. Still even then I think when it's a legislator's kid or the school board member he/she is not going to get drug (no pun intended) through the media as an example. Hell they have YouTube and myspace for that now.
Still it's just common sense. You have the money you'll have the access. That's why the "War on Drugs" was hilarious and OHHH by the way how is that going? Isn't it almost 20 years?? Yet I digress.
Mr. Football I hear you and understand what you mean. I was laughing when I saw the CNN Money listing since they have Scottsdale, AZ as #7 (their chamber of commerce must have paid the 7th highest to make the list). Now I have lived in AZ all my life and have never, EVER wanted to live in Scottsdale. If you all care it's too uppity for me. You talk about the big house with the whole family hovering around a candle at night. . . . LOL. Sh........ Yeah they have "fancier" malls (if you can say that), yeah they have higher end restaurants, yeah they have a artificially higher property values. But that is changing now as more and more people are moving to the edges of the growth.
In all reality Gilbert, AZ is becoming more popular and more affordable to boot.
Don't get me wrong Scottsdale has alot of NICE houses, shopping if that is your bag and some high income folks but if you could take a real survey of what those folks have in their accounts you might find it less than to be desired (remember the national household savings rate for 2006 was 0.8% of our disposable income per BusinessWeek). Most people who move over here (and it's growing) are looking to the outskirts to get more house for their $$$$ and there is no culture to speak of. Just more repetitive strip malls. So in a sense Scottsdale has some of the "history", if you could call it that, left.
Anyhow I found it interesting and I wanted to post to see how you all felt.
My wife seems a little hesitant for us to move to Houston.
I love it (have been there 5 times in my life of 33 yrs.) and am ready to go today if we could sell our house. She is talking about San Antonio but when we went there it seemed stale and slow.
Still if I have my druthers I'm looking at Cypress, Spring, SugarLand, Pearland and/or Katy as a final destination
Oh and yeah Yetti0 I would like to hear the Kingswoods' kids and the car bombing.
Why did the sugarl company leave? IT went out of business... Many sugar refineries closed the same year.. . even the one in Kauai which was the main employer of the island... The SUgar businesses changed.
All sugar refineries in USA went out of business... Corn syrup is cheaper... I prefer the taste of refined sugar cane over corn syrup. That is why. Sugarland is no longer sugarland.. its become a burb.
but it is closer to Houston than the Woodlands or it seems to be. Woodlands is just too artificial for me. Never got over that image. Kingwood is just a misfit place in the middle of acres of trailer houses around Humble..
Do you even live around here? I would think if you did you'd know Imperial Sugar is still in business.
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What is appealing to you about Houston? About San Antonio? These cities are pretty different.
Mr. Football's first post gives you a pretty good breakdown of the suburbs around Houston. I don't think anyone will say Sugar Land is necessarily the best because there are several others that are just as good if not better, depending on what you're looking for. What most everyone seems to say is that when looking for a suburb, consider where you will work first. The commute can be a mutha so you want to cut down on your drive time as much as possible.
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Hey, Mr. Football, I'm raising a kid in the city and so are quite a few other parents I know. I'm an artist so for me the city offers opportunities for things I want to expose her to that in living in the suburbs would be much more difficult to come by. I like to be close to museums, theaters, festivals, concerts, bookstores, and other artist friends. We live in a neat neighborhood and coupled with my friends who also live in the city we've got a nice community and have our share of backyard barbecues. It's not impossible to get those things in the city. Everyone wants to come over on the 4th of July because we have the best seats in the house! The main drawback is when she wants to play outside we have to set up playdates or go to a park because there aren't that many kids on our block and we don't have much yard here. But it's a trade-off I was willing to take for the other opportunities afforded by living in close proximity to everything. Also, I hate driving! With a passion! I know, wrong city...
Houstoner: I agree. After school my daughter and I often went to the zoo ... we had a family members ship... it was like our own private backyard... with a membership you come and go... and yes those parties on the balcony and BBQ are great inside the loop. When we moved back to Houston, we looked at sugarland since my spouse comes from there (yes original resident).. .but she wanted to live in the city... In the city.. the kids meet the butcher, the baker, and the candle stick maker who are usually parents or friends of the family.. Its called a villlage ... a real community.... they are not tucked away in the woods not even knowing what their parents do.
A friend of mine in the Heights was telling me and I agree you can tell when the burb people come into our cafes.... its like tourists from another country. Yet they so desire to live inside the loop...
My daugther had a luncheon iwth a British friend of hers... and he brought along a young couple who grew up in the burbs.. .the gf of the boy said.. GOSH I am sick of the burbs.. Iwish we could have individual designed houses like inside the loop and all the restaurants and fun things to do.
People come from all over the world to be in Houston... Houston is an international city with all the excitement of such... I want my child to be around a multicultural society . It teaches acceptance and tolerance.
She chose to live inside the loop instead of Sugarland and I am glad we made that choice. We were going to move to Galveston to retire, but decided to stay in the loop.
As for playmates , my daughter had so many dance classes, sporting practices, play rehearsals etc... We have a huge yard but she did not use it that much. The parks are just as good.
I grew up in the Heights... Sidewalk skating is great! We do need more sidewalks and better ones. I will make a point to email my city counsel rep again! She just loves hearing form me! I hope she realizes she has to earn her position.
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Hey, Mr. Football, I'm raising a kid in the city and so are quite a few other parents I know. I'm an artist so for me the city offers opportunities for things I want to expose her to that in living in the suburbs would be much more difficult to come by. I like to be close to museums, theaters, festivals, concerts, bookstores, and other artist friends. We live in a neat neighborhood and coupled with my friends who also live in the city we've got a nice community and have our share of backyard barbecues. It's not impossible to get those things in the city. Everyone wants to come over on the 4th of July because we have the best seats in the house! The main drawback is when she wants to play outside we have to set up playdates or go to a park because there aren't that many kids on our block and we don't have much yard here. But it's a trade-off I was willing to take for the other opportunities afforded by living in close proximity to everything. Also, I hate driving! With a passion! I know, wrong city...
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Read the crime stats. Remember the Kingwood drill team girls who robbed da doughnut shop iwth automatic rifles... charming!
