Feds Sue to Block Ariz. Immigration Law

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

Your trying to steer this topic off of the main issue.

The thread naturally progressed that way. The posts naturally became about kidnapping. The point is that there are other things a state can do to solve particular crimes other than illegal immigration or even crimes that illegal immigration contributes to and/or is related to.

Anyway, I did offer the suggestion that Arizona look into other ways to do its part to combat illegal immigration. It's not like a state cannot do anything to stop illegal immigration. It's that a state cannot usurp the federal government's role or authority.

[mkfarnam]

Originally Posted by Vicman

The thread naturally progressed that way. The posts naturally became about kidnapping. The point is that

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Anyway, I did offer the suggestion that Arizona look into other ways to do its part to combat illegal immigration.

. It's that a state cannot usurp the federal government's role or authority.

there are other things a state can do to solve particular crimes other than illegal immigration or even crimes that illegal immigration contributes to and/or is related to

So your saying AZ should write a Law that makes illegals an exception?.

It's not like a state cannot do anything to stop illegal immigration

Az's reason for enforcing the immigration Law is unlike any other state.
Do you even know the reason?

[Vicman]

You said: "So your saying AZ should write a Law that makes illegals an exception?" An exception to what?

If there is a lot of kidnapping in Arizona, then use law enforcement agencies wisely to break up kidnapping rings. If those rings happen to also smuggle in illegals, then the illegal pipelines are stopped anyway. Chasing after all people who jump the border is not an effective way to break up major criminal gangs. The source of the kidnapping may as well be tied to criminal groups in Mexico or other countries, but foreign agents are effectively neutered by good law enforcement.

And is there a source saying that a significant number of illegals mastermind these operations? Instead of giving one or two anecdotes, find a source that explicitly states this.

"Az's reason for enforcing the immigration Law is unlike any other state.
Do you even know the reason?"

So you are saying Arizona is special and must be treated differently than other states? Arizona is not the only border state. It is not the only state that has had a significant amount of illegal immigration. Arizona has to follow the U.S. Constitution like the other states. It is capable of writing an illegal immigration law that doesn't step on the toes of the feds.

Mkfarnam, please don't make things into a guessing game. You are responsible for stating "Az's reason for enforcing the immigration Law is unlike any other state" because you are making the point that Arizona is "special" and that SB 1070 is justified because of something "special" that Arizona has, so it is your responsibility to state the reason. You make your argument, and I make my argument.

Originally Posted by mkfarnam

So your saying AZ should write a Law that makes illegals an exception?.

It's not like a state cannot do anything to stop illegal immigration

Az's reason for enforcing the immigration Law is unlike any other state.
Do you even know the reason?

[chicagonut]

Arizona is taking steps to remove illegals already there whether they be drug cartels, gangs, kidnappers, criminals or just taking Arizonian's jobs and benefits. This step will also deter more from entering Arizona to do the same.

[Vicman]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

Arizona is taking steps to remove illegals already there whether they be drug cartels, gangs, kidnappers, criminals or just taking Arizonian's jobs and benefits. This step will also deter more from entering Arizona to do the same.

If Arizona's knee deep in problems from crime, then it should focus upon the people who are in "drug cartels, gangs, kidnappers, criminals" (whether or not they are illegal immigrants) and only arrest people who "just taking Arizonian's jobs and benefits" if they are "collateral." Arizona likely can't afford to go after everyone.

The reality is that law enforcement agencies prioritize, and they have to let people committing lesser offenses off leniently in order to focus on more serious targets.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by Vicman

If Arizona's knee deep in problems from crime, then it should focus upon the people who are in "drug cartels, gangs, kidnappers, criminals" (whether or not they are illegal immigrants) and only arrest people who "just taking Arizonian's jobs and benefits" if they are "collateral." Arizona likely can't afford to go after everyone.

The reality is that law enforcement agencies prioritize, and they have to let people committing lesser offenses off leniently in order to focus on more serious targets.

How does Arizona LE know when they find an illegal which one of these things they are guilty of? Are you suggesting that if there is no criminal record on them that they just let them go? Sorry, but taking jobs and benefits from Arizonians is an important reason to get them off the streets just like the cartels and other hardened criminals.