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Old 03-12-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: California
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I do realize the article is addressing legal immigrants but it also mentions illegals as well. This should it pass will give me hope for California.

California Group Seeks to Curb Flow of Legal Immigration Until Jobless Rate Falls - FoxNews.com

 
Old 03-13-2011, 09:04 AM
 
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Combined immigration rates should be lowered when Americans are having trouble getting jobs. That's only common sense, something few politicians have. And it's stupid to lower legal immigration when illegal immigration rates greatly surpass the legal immigration. Also include asylum seekers and refugees in with that combined rate.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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And it's stupid to lower legal immigration when illegal immigration rates greatly surpass the legal immigration.
Legal immigration exceeds illegal immigration. Legal immigration exceeds 1 million/year while illegal immigration has declined from about 600,000/year in the early 2000's to about 200,000/year in 2005-2009.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2010.pdf
 
Old 03-13-2011, 08:08 PM
 
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Legal immigration exceeds illegal immigration. Legal immigration exceeds 1 million/year while illegal immigration has declined from about 600,000/year in the early 2000's to about 200,000/year in 2005-2009.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2010.pdf
I'm extremely skeptical of the government's statistics when on one hand the government pretends to know how many and on the other hand pretends it can't stop them, can't detect them, and can't count them.

200,000 is incredibly low, and I doubt that figure because it's just too easy to get here. That number can't possibly include those who came on shopping and visitor visas and simply stayed because a huge number from Ciudad Juarez and all the northern states are coming over that way.

That's also why I would include the so-called asylum seekers who refuse to consider safer cities in Mexico with low unemployment rates but are now pouring over the border insisting that fear of street violence should bring them asylum.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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Until there is a mandatory use of the Federal E-Verify system and strict enforcement I do not really see things changing much.

The type of changes needed for California to make true reforms is mindboggling.....would cause a backlash 10 times the force of anything we have seen in Michigan, do not think it will ever happen, California will look more and more like a 3rd world country.
 
Old 03-13-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Here
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Originally Posted by Gary Siete View Post
Legal immigration exceeds illegal immigration. Legal immigration exceeds 1 million/year while illegal immigration has declined from about 600,000/year in the early 2000's to about 200,000/year in 2005-2009.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2010.pdf
Riiiiiiiight.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Siete View Post
Legal immigration exceeds illegal immigration. Legal immigration exceeds 1 million/year while illegal immigration has declined from about 600,000/year in the early 2000's to about 200,000/year in 2005-2009.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2010.pdf
And there are only 10 million illegals in the US.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 11:41 AM
 
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Pew Research has higher estimates but as with DHS shows a decline over the past decade.

Annual Inflow of Unauthorized immigrants:
2000-2005 850,000/year
2005-2007 550,000/year
2007-2009 300,000/year

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Flows Are Down Sharply Since Mid-Decade - Pew Hispanic Center

Both Pew and DHS also show a decline the total illegal population. Arrests and deportations are also up under Obama. Arizona is at the forefront of media attention because the border has been tightened elsewhere -so the immigrant flow has shifted to the remote and dangerous Arizona desert. Ten years ago I could see migrants everyday blatantly crossing the river within sight of the El Paso ports of entry. I don't see that anymore. What has increased is the anti-illegal rhetoric.
 
Old 03-14-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Gary Siete View Post
Pew Research has higher estimates but as with DHS shows a decline over the past decade.

Annual Inflow of Unauthorized immigrants:
2000-2005 850,000/year
2005-2007 550,000/year
2007-2009 300,000/year

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Flows Are Down Sharply Since Mid-Decade - Pew Hispanic Center

Both Pew and DHS also show a decline the total illegal population. Arrests and deportations are also up under Obama. Arizona is at the forefront of media attention because the border has been tightened elsewhere -so the immigrant flow has shifted to the remote and dangerous Arizona desert. Ten years ago I could see migrants everyday blatantly crossing the river within sight of the El Paso ports of entry. I don't see that anymore. What has increased is the anti-illegal rhetoric.

Anti-illegal "rhetoric"?
 
Old 03-14-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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So California, a state that is drowning (and rapidly sinking for the third time) under the debt of providing "services" to illegals would prefer to rather than combat that issue, demonise those here in this country working LEGALLY instead of seeking to restrict what is being given freely to illegals at taxpayers expense.

Yeah, makes perfect sense - if you're California............
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