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No legalization no matter what. They are nothing but criminals and should be deported. Want to stay with your jackpot kid, then take them the hell with you.
In the first place, if the 14th Amendment was interpretated correctly there would be no such thing as anchor children since the amendment was for the children of slaves and for the children that were here legally and under our jurisdiction.
You are wrong in principle (children of illegal aliens were not intended by the authors of 14th Amendment as beneficiaries of the birthright citizenship, so there is no rational basis for bestowing on them such a benefit), as well as in technical details.
Contrary to what you wrote, the Constitution doesn't have to be amended in order to stop the current practice of awarding cictzenship to ANYONE born on American soil. It would be enough if the Congress clarified that children of parents who are subject to foreign powers (e.g., illegal aliens) are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. This will make them explicitely non-eligible for birthright citizenship.
Here is an excerpt from 14th Amendment that authorized Congress to doing so:
Amendment XIV [...] Section 5 The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Many countries, such as Mexico have long held their citizens living abroad are still subject to their jurisdiction. Article 30 of the Mexican Constitution states children born to one of their citizens outside of Mexico are citizens of Mexico.
Awarding "automatic" citizenship to American-born persons who are subjects of a foreign power (and, therefore, not subjects of the jurisdiction of the U.S.) would pose a deadly threat to this nation. A foreign power that wants to conquer the U.S. might just send millions of its subjects to the U.S., wait until their American-born children, also subjects of that foreign power, are big enough to act on behalf of it, and then take over the U.S. without one shot fired.
Wait a second! That's actually what Mexico is doing! Help!!!
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I know that I'm off topic, but still my 2 cents will fit somewhere here.
There are a few things that if come to pass will have immigrants, legal and not, even some Americans leave the country in GREAT numbers.Some of them are:war or terror assaults one after the other, here on American soil, unemployment in great scale,if the dollar keeps going down , like it is now, draft, and draft alone will have people leave in such great numbers! And more !Americans included!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I do not wish ANY of that to happen, but we all know it can happen in near or long future.And may never happen (my wish).Just a IF, hope never ever becomes more than a IF?
Anyone watching what is going all over the globe right now, knows how bad things are, and no signs of getting better.
Now my point: if people start leaving the country for any of the reasons above, what the very same people who are saying boot them all out would say?
1- Now that the boat is sinking they are leaving ,why don"t they stay?
2- Good they better leave, we don't even need their anchor babies in case of a draft?
I'm almost sure the very same people would have a very different tune.
I side with Bill oreilly on this, because the American government is the other side of the coin, there are illegals because the government allows it to happen
it should be solved on individual bases, no criminals, tax evaders, learn english,etc,etc
America may not need the anchors babies now, but who knows in the future?
What will the very same people say? Anchors you are American you must stay,or anchors sorry it was your parents decisions, you are at no fault ,but have to leave with them,for you were not even supposed to be born here?
This is very harsh thing to say!! I'm a illegal immigrant! My visa expired 3 years ago! My parents are also illegal but they have social security numbers and work legally but they are not legal residents and i dont have a SSN.
When you're brought illegally into this country as a minor, the time you spend here out of status does not count against you until you turn 18...then the clock starts.
When you turn 18 you have two choices: attempt to legalize (which is difficult), or go home. Don't blame us; blame your parents.
No legalization no matter what. They are nothing but criminals and should be deported. Want to stay with your jackpot kid, then take them the hell with you.
In the first place, if the 14th Amendment was interpretated correctly there would be no such thing as anchor children since the amendment was for the children of slaves and for the children that were here legally and under our jurisdiction.
See, this is a part of this argument that the pro-illegal camps continue to push that really gets my hackles up.
The Fourteenth Amendment was not intended to write a blank check to the anchor babies of those who sneak across our borders illegally, but was in reparation for the evils of slavery. One of the Fourteenth Amendment's key authors, Michigan Senator Jacob Howard explained in 1866 that the citizenship clause, intended to ensure the rights of former slaves and their children, "would not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are the children of foreigners, aliens, or who belong to families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States..."
Black Americans did not cross our borders illegally. They were brought here violently and against their will. How is it fair that the children of illegal immigrants should ride into America on the backs of people who were exploited and marginalized in this country for over 150 years?
This is what's happening because of the misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment. As an American, I'm highly incensed! Most of my Black friends are absolutely livid!
See, this is a part of this argument that the pro-illegal camps continue to push that really gets my hackles up.
The Fourteenth Amendment was not intended to write a blank check to the anchor babies of those who sneak across our borders illegally, but was in reparation for the evils of slavery. One of the Fourteenth Amendment's key authors, Michigan Senator Jacob Howard explained in 1866 that the citizenship clause, intended to ensure the rights of former slaves and their children, "would not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are the children of foreigners, aliens, or who belong to families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States..."
Black Americans did not cross our borders illegally. They were brought here violently and against their will. How is it fair that the children of illegal immigrants should ride into America on the backs of people who were exploited and marginalized in this country for over 150 years?
This is what's happening because of the misinterpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment. As an American, I'm highly incensed! Most of my Black friends are absolutely livid!
So if the Fourteenth Amendment is antiquated and being abused why doesn't America just move to change it?
So if the Fourteenth Amendment is antiquated and being abused why doesn't American just move to change it?
Logically speaking, the Fourteenth Amendment could feasibly be abolished. There is no need for it any more. However, there is a historical factor to this Amendment and a reminder of where this country has been and where we NEVER want to go again.
If the Fourteenth Amendment were enforced true to the framer's original intent and not twisted to somehow include the children of foreign nationals, then there would be no need to change it.
Virtually every other nation in the world requires that at least one parent be a citizen or permanent resident for a child to automatically become a citizen. Seems logical and fair to me.
Logically speaking, the Fourteenth Amendment could feasibly be abolished. There is no need for it any more. However, there is a historical factor to this Amendment and a reminder of where this country has been and where we NEVER want to go again.
If the Fourteenth Amendment were enforced true to the framer's original intent and not twisted to somehow include the children of foreign nationals, then there would be no need to change it.
Virtually every other nation in the world requires that at least one parent be a citizen or permanent resident for a child to automatically become a citizen. Seems logical and fair to me.
Seems logical and fair to me also, but that is not how America has applied it and it is unfair to retroactively apply it. America should take the hit for allowing this to happen, abolish or repair the 14th to be a current, thus fixing the problem from here on out. No child already born under this law should have to worry, that is not fair.
Seems logical and fair to me also, but that is not how America has applied it and it is unfair to retroactively apply it. America should take the hit for allowing this to happen, abolish or repair the 14th to be a current, thus fixing the problem from here on out. No child already born under this law should have to worry, that is not fair.
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Children born to illegal aliens in the United States, and I am speaking of those of Mexican descent, are considered Mexican citizens by the country of Mexico. In the United States of America, there is NO allowance for dual citizenship, thus children of Mexican illegal immigrants are not under the jurisdiction of the United States of America.
You are wrong in principle (children of illegal aliens were not intended by the authors of 14th Amendment as beneficiaries of the birthright citizenship, so there is no rational basis for bestowing on them such a benefit), as well as in technical details.
Contrary to what you wrote, the Constitution doesn't have to be amended in order to stop the current practice of awarding cictzenship to ANYONE born on American soil. It would be enough if the Congress clarified that children of parents who are subject to foreign powers (e.g., illegal aliens) are not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. This will make them explicitely non-eligible for birthright citizenship.
Here is an excerpt from 14th Amendment that authorized Congress to doing so:
Amendment XIV [...] Section 5 The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
Many countries, such as Mexico have long held their citizens living abroad are still subject to their jurisdiction. Article 30 of the Mexican Constitution states children born to one of their citizens outside of Mexico are citizens of Mexico.
Awarding "automatic" citizenship to American-born persons who are subjects of a foreign power (and, therefore, not subjects of the jurisdiction of the U.S.) would pose a deadly threat to this nation. A foreign power that wants to conquer the U.S. might just send millions of its subjects to the U.S., wait until their American-born children, also subjects of that foreign power, are big enough to act on behalf of it, and then take over the U.S. without one shot fired.
Wait a second! That's actually what Mexico is doing! Help!!!
Great post, Veiled Prophet . . . SCARY, isn't it?
Why are so many unable to see the obvious? ! ! ! !
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