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Old 06-24-2011, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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But the end game is the interesting thing. It's a unique situation in that a non-English speaking and quite foreign culture is setting up shop in such numbers that they are beginning to re-create their homeland within this country. Let's say that neither they or the existing US citizenry assimilate (it works both ways of course). Do you end up with conflict? A more rigid federal strucure (ala Yugoslavia or the USSR)? Walled enclaves? Something like Lebanon? Peaceful coexistence? or a hybrid culture?

It's moving too slowly for a human to tell, but a history book in 150 years would be great to have right now.
Maybe it isn't moving too slowly to tell. Turn your eyes to Europe and the UK, especially the UK. What has happened there is playing out here. People who haven't actually LIVED in the UK do not fully understand or know just how quickly Sharai Law was allowed to be enacted, and it isn't as "harmless" as they believe. Even public facilities and amusement parks have been completely closed to the general public so that "Muslims Only" events can be held. Local community swimming pools are closed off to the non-Muslim public for so many hours a week so that Muslim women can use them while wearing burkas. This is because, like a large portion of our Hispanic community, they refuse to integrate, which in turn causes tensions and resentments when others see that they are being granted "special" privileges.

In the UK and Europe the ONLY immigrants demanding that an entire society bow down and change to accommodate them are the Muslims. In the United States only ONE immigrant group is doing the same, those from Mexico.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:24 AM
 
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Well, that sentence blows the whole idea out of the water, since we gave up on trying to integrate them once the schools bowed down and allowed them to be taught in their own language instead of in English. How are you going to teach the younger generation to integrate when no efforts are being made to teach them the one skill which would help promote that?
The younger generation is almost entirely fluent, so I'm not sure why this concerns you so much.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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The younger generation is almost entirely fluent, so I'm not sure why this concerns you so much.
Because although they ARE fluent many still insist on speaking Spanish as their first language. Must be that La Raza mentality influencing them, plus the fact that many schools now teach special courses on Chicano and Hispanic studies, which tend to push the La Raza agenda.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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Because although they ARE fluent many still insist on speaking Spanish as their first language. Must be that La Raza mentality influencing them, plus the fact that many schools now teach special courses on Chicano and Hispanic studies, which tend to push the La Raza agenda.
They should absolutely be able to speak whatever language they want, just like every other person in this country. My father speaks Farsi when he speaks with his Iranian friends. Is this something you have a problem with?
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:43 AM
 
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Maybe it isn't moving too slowly to tell. Turn your eyes to Europe and the UK, especially the UK. .
The truly grand experiment in unassimilated living was carried out in eastern Europe, for really quite a long time. Although I'd hardly call them a protected class, Jewish ghettos formed a quite distinct and self contained arrangement for centuries.

Where the rubber hits the road is when times get tight, there's a natural tendency to form along cultural lines (sometimes racial, sometimes not) when you choose up sides. In a world of still increasing population and likely to deplete resources you can expect the potential energy to build up. It's kind of like an earthquake, difficult to predict the time and exact nature, but reasonably certain to happen.

I think that the great public policy debate of this century will be the viability of heterogeneous nations. I'm afraid that the economic contests and exercises in raw power that go on between countries don't much care about what's fair...or even humane really. Winners and losers just are, and there's a lot of zero-sum games out there.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:49 AM
 
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The younger generation is almost entirely fluent, so I'm not sure why this concerns you so much.
That may be, but did you see the testimony in Spanish in the other thread.
They know English but refuse to speak it.

Its insulting.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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They should absolutely be able to speak whatever language they want, just like every other person in this country. My father speaks Farsi when he speaks with his Iranian friends. Is this something you have a problem with?
Its the principality of it.
They do it in spite.

Why the need to press 1 for English?
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Because although they ARE fluent many still insist on speaking Spanish as their first language. Must be that La Raza mentality influencing them, plus the fact that many schools now teach special courses on Chicano and Hispanic studies, which tend to push the La Raza agenda.
Are we talking schoolkids here, or university students? I don't know of any course, outside teaching another language, that isn't in English, at any publicly-assessable school level. At the grade school age, the desire is to mainstream a child as quickly as possible.

Don't confuse our younger kids with college students taking a course...
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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That may be, but did you see the testimony in Spanish in the other thread.
They know English but refuse to speak it.

Its insulting.
No, it's not, but that guy was first generation, so I don't see your point here.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Its the principality of it.
They do it in spite.

Why the need to press 1 for English?
What happens when you don't press any buttons at all?...

I've only seen one specific automated system that wouldn't continue without a selection...
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