CA's Dream Act would allow illegals acces to PUBLIC AID! (green card, driver's license)
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Everything else I wrote was true. Illegals are skipping lines. The United States has laws that state you must wait your turn if you want to come here. You have no legal or moral right to come here after we said you could not.
But this is a mischaracterization.
A) you didn't say "illegals are skipping lines". What you said is:
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Because there's no other argument you could make that would otherwise allow the world's low skilled high school drop out non-English speakers to come to America, let alone to skip our immigration lines and dip into the public till.
I'm not trying to justify people skipping lines. I'm saying "the line" should be easier to go through so people don't skip it in the first place. For the vast majority of people, there IS NO LINE anyway. "The line" (as it exists currently) is specifically constructed in such a way that it effectively doesn't allow anyone in. So this "just get in line" handwave is a total sham. "the line" doesn't address the issue AT ALL. It just gives you a convenient way to avoid confronting the issue.
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For the thousandth time most illegals are from Mexico or Guatemala. Fewer than half have a high school diploma and many do not speak English. I am sorry if facts offend you but facts are facts however unflattering. It is not hatred to point that out.
I didn't dispute this.
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American universities are directly funded from taxpayer dollars. Illegals pay little if any in taxes and are therefore not paying for such universities.
Of course, every credible source and basic logic says otherwise. Illegals pay taxes. It's IMPOSSIBLE for them to avoid them. And besides, if you actually think they don't pay taxes, legalizing them would address this problem.
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By demanding that we not only finance their primary education but fund higher education for them as well they are indeed demanding the right to pick our pockets.
Do you think poor white people are picking your pockets? Are you going to step up and support cutting them off?
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Misuse of language and wholly false accusations do not help your case nor do they grant you the moral high ground the way you arrogantly seem to think they do.
Wow, the irony. There's no sexist language in this thread. And reading your posts, they're practically dripping with hystertia, paranoia, and conspiracy boogeymen. You disingenuously characterize other people as supporting "skipping lines," you deal in discredited stereotypes, and you spread a bunch of hate-filled rhetoric about people conspiring to pick your pockets and throw around ridiculous accusations when you have nothing else to scrape out of the barrel.
You keep throwing out these accusations of "hysteria" and logical fallacies and this and that, but for the most part I'd say people here have done a good job of justifying their views. Just because someone is a bit angry and concerned for the welfare of their country, that doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate point. If you can't comprehend the obvious truth in their statements, that's your problem.
But let's get real for a minute yo. My parents were immigrants once themselves. They came here from a little tiny country that doesn't even exist anymore called the Soviet Union. Ever heard of it? They never broke any laws and managed to become legal citizens even at a time when everyone told them it would be impossible. Both my mom and dad worked multiple jobs and never asked for a penny from the government. It was their sheer grit and hard effort that made them productive members of American society and eventually created a better life for their children, myself included. So if they could make it in this country on their own, I don't see why I should be giving my hard earned tax dollars to someone who blatantly disrespects the law. Especially since it will likely encourage more people to come and do the same.
I know all about giving free handouts to people who don't necessarily deserve them. I believe that can loosely be called "socialism" and I have plenty of family members who've experienced it. Trust me it leads to nothing good.
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Originally Posted by rhymetime
Nobody is confused about what the law is.
Well apparently you are if you're seriously advocating these policies. Maybe if you weren't brainwashed with hippy nonsense, you could finally understand that AN ILLEGAL IS AN ILLEGAL. THE UNITED STATES OWES THEM NOTHING. WE HAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF. Honestly, what the hell is your problem?
I was actually going to try and give you a rational response to some of your other previous posts, but you've really lost my respect. Go hug a rainbow. I'm done arguing with you. Bye bye.
You keep throwing out these accusations of "hysteria" and logical fallacies and this and that, but for the most part I'd say people here have done a good job of justifying their views. Just because someone is a bit angry and concerned for the welfare of their country, that doesn't mean they don't have a legitimate point. If you can't comprehend the obvious truth in their statements, that's your problem.
Obvious truth? You assume the conclusion. Shocking.
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But let's get real for a minute yo. My parents were immigrants once themselves. They came here from a little tiny country that doesn't even exist anymore called the Soviet Union. Ever heard of it? They never broke any laws and managed to become legal citizens even at a time when everyone told them it would be impossible. Both my mom and dad worked multiple jobs and never asked for a penny from the government. It was their sheer grit and hard effort that made them productive members of American society and eventually created a better life for their children, myself included. So if they could make it in this country on their own, I don't see why I should be giving my hard earned tax dollars to someone who blatantly disrespects the law. Especially since it will likely encourage more people to come and do the same.
Ok, cool. So if we made it simple and easy for people to immigrate, then they wouldn't be breaking the law. What would your objection be if we did that?
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I know all about giving free handouts to people who don't necessarily deserve them. I believe that can loosely be called "socialism" and I have plenty of family members who've experienced it. Trust me it leads to nothing good.
OK, so I'm cool with this. I'm pretty much opposed to government giveaways for the most part.
The thing is, I don't see you here complaining about social welfare programs. I see you complaining about CERTAIN PEOPLE using them. If your problem is with socialism, then you shouldn't be wasting time in a thread about illegal immigration, which is just a fraction of the "problem."
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Well apparently you are if you're seriously advocating these policies. Maybe if you weren't brainwashed with hippy nonsense, you could finally understand that AN ILLEGAL IS AN ILLEGAL. THE UNITED STATES OWES THEM NOTHING. WE HAVE OUR OWN PEOPLE TO TAKE CARE OF. Honestly, what the hell is your problem?
What policies do you think I'm advocating?
Are you saying that the US should have turned your parents away? Why does the US owe YOU anything?
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I was actually going to try and give you a rational response to some of your other previous posts, but you've really lost my respect. Go hug a rainbow. I'm done arguing with you. Bye bye.
Well, you haven't done a particularly great or interesting job of arguing (just the same old tired "ITS THE LAWWWWWW!!!" platitudes), so I am not exactly heartbroken to hear this.
Why would we want to make it easy for people to emigrate here, rhymetime? What do we benefit by importing poor people from Mexico that they themselves hardly contribute to Mexico?
Why would we want to make it easy for people to emigrate here, rhymetime? What do we benefit by importing poor people from Mexico that they themselves hardly contribute to Mexico?
Why should I let you read whatever book you want or watch whatever you want to watch on TV? I get no benefit from you being able to do whatever you want.
Why should I let you read whatever book you want or watch whatever you want to watch on TV? I get no benefit from you being able to do whatever you want.
So you don't have an answer to my question? Immigration does not equal my right to read whatever book I want. I'll ask again.
Why do you feel that we need to make it easier to let the illiterate, poor Juan del Pueblo emigrate into this country when we already have tens of millions of impoverished African-Americans here already?
So you don't have an answer to my question? Immigration does not equal my right to read whatever book I want. I'll ask again.
Why do you feel that we need to make it easier to let the illiterate, poor Juan del Pueblo emigrate into this country when we already have tens of millions of impoverished African-Americans here already?
Some of the analogies and arguments made by the pro-illegals make think I have just entered the twilight zone. Imagine comparing an American's right to read a book in his own country to the non-rights of illegal entry into our country or it somehow justifies unlimited legal immigration into our country. Some say that this represents a "brilliant" mind.
Some of the analogies and arguments made by the pro-illegals make think I have just entered the twilight zone. Imagine comparing an American's right to read a book in his own country to the non-rights of illegal entry into our country or it somehow justifies unlimited legal immigration into our country. Some say that this represents a "brilliant" mind.
Reading a book is a right?...
Someone can be smart and have a diverse view, but still have that intelligence be recognized by others...
Someone can be smart and have a diverse view, but still have that intelligence be recognized by others...
Yes, Americans do have a right to read a book in their own country. You're really side stepping the issue again, aren't you? One can have a "diverse" view (most people in this case would call it bizarre, however) but if I don't agree with that "diverse" view I will tell them so. Why don't you? Or is it that you agree with their "diverse" view of allowing everyone in the world to come here that wants to?
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