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My bf yesterday told me one of his classmates is an illegal alien from the Dominican Republic. She spoke freely about it and also added that the state is paying for education!!!
What the heck is this????
Come on, we know what it is, called B S in the biggest way poissble.
As much as I want to be sympathetic to these kids I'm always struck by the lack of gratitude they seem to have. At no point does the person in the article express happiness that Americans provided her with an education up to and including a college degree. At no point does she say thank you, let alone tell us that was a nice thing we did. At no point does she ever admit that Americans had every right to deport her and that her mother did something fundamentally wrong.
Instead all get from her is whining that we haven't done more for her.
My great-grandparents who immigrated LEGALLY were happy to be here. They were grateful. The last thing on their minds was getting Americans to provide for their needs at every turn. They knew that if they could not succeed they would have to leave.
What do we get today? Complaints that Americans not only have the nerve to enforce our laws but pure anger that we don't want to reward law breakers!
Unreal.
Illegals should not have access to anything but a jail cell, a fine and a firm warning to go home and stay home. They most certainly should not have access to a small pot of higher education funding that many natives don't even get access to.
You nailed it. So right everything you have said. My Ancestors too, from Italay, were only to happy to come here and become citizens, and do it legally. In those days, they would never think of doing any way but legally, and it was hard, i remember being told that, it was not easy for them, but they were optistimic about being American Citizens, and proud of that fact. And ever since that time they worked the rest of their lives, with no help from anyone, working up to 3 jobs.
We have different kinds of immigrants spilling over to our Country, they think nothing of taking advantage of what we can give them, infact the more the better. I sometimes wonder with what benefits illegals get, if being an American Citizen, is that much better!
No, they became illegal the minute they crossed our borders without permission, or their parents deliberately failed to comply with the terms of their tourist visa. Plyler v. Doe only grants them the right to a public school education. It does not change their status from illegal alien.
Some People it seems!!!!!!!! have no concept of what breaking the law is, and could care less about this. The minute illegals step lawlessy over our borders, they are here illegally, and breaking the law.
And then they try and take us for everything free they can get from us, trying to bleed the system dry.
Hey i know, lets go to another Country, and try doing these very things that illegals do here, see what happens?????????
And while we are at it whatever Country we are in, lets not learn the Language.
No, they became illegal the minute they crossed our borders without permission, or their parents deliberately failed to comply with the terms of their tourist visa. Plyler v. Doe only grants them the right to a public school education. It does not change their status from illegal alien.
Plyler...
At the least, those who elect to enter our territory by stealth and in violation of our law should be prepared to bear the consequences, including, but not limited to, deportation. But the children of those illegal entrants are not comparably situated.
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That would say they are not illegal aliens...
The USSC could not really have stated it more clearly. "Not comparably situated" is pretty clear. Does not say they become citizens or are not deportable...but does say they are not illegal aliens...
They are foreign nationals. We are not legally (let alone morally) obligated to provide ANYTHING at all for foreign nationals, let alone citizenship. How can a culture possible be foreign to these kids as their parents are from that culture? This came up with the Jessica Colotl case. She had a Mexican driver's license so the country could hardly said to be unfamiliar to her.
Illegals should be incredibly grateful we pay for the education of their children. Instead of showing us any gratitude they simply loudly whine we don't do more. If we did as you ask, all we'd get are more ungrateful illegals, more demands and even more overcrowded schools.
That's the last thing we need.
The consitution says nothing about providing for the educational needs of foreign citizens.
Overcrowded schools and increased taxes are most certainly harmful to American citizens. NYC has an idiot mayor who welcomes illegals. The NYC schools also recently laid off staffers, mostly from the poorest districts:
YOU may not see a correlation here. But the rest of us could hardly be excused from doing so.
We have no obligation to these kids. The sooner they leave the better for all concerned. If their parents want them to get a good education let their parents pay for private schools or demand better schools in their homelands. It is a vile act for foreign nationals to literally demand that we pay for the education of their own kids out of our pockets and shortchange many of our own kids in the process.
Read Plyler. Your argument was raised by Texas and rejected by the court.
Let us understand the courts said we did have an obligation to these kids at least to the extent of treating them like everybody else.
At the least, those who elect to enter our territory by stealth and in violation of our law should be prepared to bear the consequences, including, but not limited to, deportation. But the children of those illegal entrants are not comparably situated.
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That would say they are not illegal aliens...
The USSC could not really have stated it more clearly. "Not comparably situated" is pretty clear. Does not say they become citizens or are not deportable...but does say they are not illegal aliens...
Ain't facts a pain in the ass...
Oh, please, this is beyond ridiculous. If they aren’t illegal aliens, why are they fighting so hard for “legalization” via the DREAM Act? If they aren’t illegal aliens, why are they ineligible to obtain a driver’s license (in all but 2 states), a SSN, employment eligibility, the list goes on. . . .
Stop grasping at straws. Heck, even THEY know they’re ILLEGAL.
Oh, please, this is beyond ridiculous. If they aren’t illegal aliens, why are they fighting so hard for “legalization” via the DREAM Act? If they aren’t illegal aliens, why are they ineligible to obtain a driver’s license (in all but 2 states), a SSN, employment eligibility, the list goes on. . . .
Stop grasping at straws. Heck, even THEY know they’re ILLEGAL.
It must be hell for you to sit down.
Exactly! And just because they were brought here by their parents does not negate the fact that both the parents and the kids are here as illegal aliens. If one doesn't have documentation to be here then you are here illegally.
I agree, a sheer grasp at straws.
Oh, please, this is beyond ridiculous. If they aren’t illegal aliens, why are they fighting so hard for “legalization” via the DREAM Act? If they aren’t illegal aliens, why are they ineligible to obtain a driver’s license (in all but 2 states), a SSN, employment eligibility, the list goes on. . . .
Stop grasping at straws. Heck, even THEY know they’re ILLEGAL.
It must be hell for you to sit down.
I understand in your simple world there is only illegal and legal. In actual fact there are vast number of states between the two.
One can be in a state that is neither legal nor illegal. That is probably a fair representation of the status of the foreign born children of illegal aliens brought here as children.
And given the present direction of the administration it is likely that the DREAM kids will mostly move to yet another intermediate state which is clearly not illegal but still not fully legal. They will be able to work and get driver's license even though no obvious path to citizenship exists. The big change from their present state is they will no longer be deportable unless engaging in criminal acts.
So get over your overly simplistic world view. The DREAM kids are well on their way to legality by one means or the other.
Exactly! And just because they were brought here by their parents does not negate the fact that both the parents and the kids are here as illegal aliens. If one doesn't have documentation to be here then you are here illegally.
I agree, a sheer grasp at straws.
Read what the court said. not what you wish it had said. It is quite explicit. The children are not illegal entrants...
Read Plyler. Your argument was raised by Texas and rejected by the court.
Let us understand the courts said we did have an obligation to these kids at least to the extent of treating them like everybody else.
YOu are arguing with the USSC...not with me.
Supreme Court decisions have been overturned in the past. This one should be. Treating them like everyone else would mean deporting them and their parents. They're all in violation of the law and they should be sent home.
We shouldn't allow illegals to move here without permission and unilaterally declare their children American citizens. That isn't fair to legal immigrants who we rightfully make jump through a reasonable series of hoops. We certainly shouldn't be fiscally responsible for educating young illegals.
Illegals are ridiculous. They feel free to ignore most of our laws. Laws that state they can't come here, drive here or work here are routinely shoved aside by illegals and their advocates even when such violations produce huge problems for Americans. But when it comes to a law that might benefit them all of sudden American laws are the only thing that should matter to us.
Hypocrites, the lot of them.
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