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Old 12-19-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: California
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Eighth Circuit Embraces Dangerous Legal Claim Endangering Undocumented Immigrants' Fourth Amendment Rights | ThinkProgress
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Last June, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit held that the Second Amendment does not apply to undocumented immigrants. Last week, in a single paragraph order, the Eighth Circuit agreed..... [i]f allowed to stand, it could strip all undocumented immigrants of their constitutional right to be free from unlawful searches and seizures.
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More and more it is coming down to the defining of words within the Constitution, in this case "person", in which the courts seem to be taking the Constitutions Preamble into consideration where in it states "to ourselves and our posterity" to mean just that, only for citizens or those with the consent of our government to be here; as it should be.
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:49 AM
 
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More and more it is coming down to the defining of words within the Constitution, in this case "person", in which the courts seem to be taking the Constitutions Preamble into consideration where in it states "to ourselves and our posterity" to mean just that, only for citizens or those with the consent of our government to be here; as it should be.
Excellent start! Maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel afterall. Anyone with common sense would know that when "persons or people" are referenced in our Constitution that it means citizens or those authorized to be here.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: New Hampshire
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Who do they think they are anyway? Even Americans have had their 4th Amendment rights pretty much taken away by the Patriot Act!
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Eighth Circuit Embraces Dangerous Legal Claim Endangering Undocumented Immigrants' Fourth Amendment Rights | ThinkProgress(edited for point)

More and more it is coming down to the defining of words within the Constitution, in this case "person", in which the courts seem to be taking the Constitutions Preamble into consideration where in it states "to ourselves and our posterity" to mean just that, only for citizens or those with the consent of our government to be here; as it should be.
The problem arises when you assume that some Amerians are not citizens and you violate their rights of American citizens to determine if they are citizens
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Old 12-20-2011, 10:48 AM
 
Location: California
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The problem arises when you assume that some Ameri(c)ans {sic} are not citizens and you violate the {sic} rights of American citizens to determine if they are citizens
Accept for the fact that once an illegal alien is identified they no longer fall within the protections of the 4th Amendment.

You may be referring to a citizen harboring/living with an illegal, thus the citizens right is jeopardized by themselves.
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Old 12-20-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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Eighth Circuit Embraces Dangerous Legal Claim Endangering Undocumented Immigrants' Fourth Amendment Rights | ThinkProgress(edited for point)

More and more it is coming down to the defining of words within the Constitution, in this case "person", in which the courts seem to be taking the Constitutions Preamble into consideration where in it states "to ourselves and our posterity" to mean just that, only for citizens or those with the consent of our government to be here; as it should be.
That is a common sense approach. If we would have it the other way everyone in the world who is a non citizen would have our rights.

I am glad to see this happen.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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Finally some good news, common sense wins in the end. Wish we could clone it.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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And Merry Christmas to all you fine folks. One small step, sometimes leads to a huge jump. We have to start somewhere. A little news even if it seems to little too late, is better then no news on this issue at all.
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Old 12-20-2011, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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The problem arises when you assume that some Amerians are not citizens and you violate their rights of American citizens to determine if they are citizens
Asking for an I.D is not a violation of anyones civil rights. So you would rather anyone from any part of the globe be able to just come in and wander about? Might as well give up on having a country of your own. A country without borders is no longer a country.
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Old 12-20-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Asking for an I.D is not a violation of anyones civil rights. .
It's a violation of someones Constitutional rights
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So you would rather anyone from any part of the globe be able to just come in and wander about? Might as well give up on having a country of your own. .
I'd rather protect the Constitution of the United States. I'm not falling for the "we have to suspend your rights to keep you safe" argument.
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