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No, people from outside the US do not have some inherent right to come to the US. The primary purpose of US immigration law is to control immigration in a way that benefits the US. Not Mexico. Not El Salvador. Not Guatemala. The main goal of Mexico's immigration laws is to control immigration in a way that benefits Mexico. It is like this for any country. I do not care if Mexico thinks our immigration laws are unfair. I would not expect them to care if I thought theirs were unfair.
If you are in the US in violation of our immigration laws you are here illegally. The 'no human is illegal' slogan is merely a smokescreen meant to divert attention from that fact.
The notion of making them legal so they can pay taxes like everybody else is a sad joke. Most earn so little they will be paying minimal if any taxes. Under our system, if they earn little enough they can collect EITC funds and end up not only paying nothing into the system, but getting even more money back. What a deal! And once they are legal then they CAN begin to collect the full buffet of benefits that US citizens qualify for. So we would have millions more collecting welfare, foodstamps, etc. while contributing little in the way of taxes to offset this use. This is a recipe for disaster for the US.
Illegal aliens need to return to their home countries and work to change things there.
I call their status as "voluntary slaves" If you look at it, they cannot gain in our economy, they get paid lower than minimum wage. They have to sneak around, and enjoy no real "American dream"
they put themselves into a form of slavery in my opinion.
Make them come into our country Legally, and let them grab ahold of the "American Dream"
Since many of our laws have started out as bills voted on by American citizens, I hardly think it appropriate that foreign nationals are given a say on whether or not our laws are fair, much less that they try to force change upon the American people even as we continue to fight our own government to enforce them!
I don't know but this quote from Gandhi left me thinking.
If someone has seen Gandhi's movie, with Ben Kingsley representing him, I recommend it, what would have Gandhi done if he was an illegal immigrant?
What are your thoughts?
I guess that's where we disagree; I don't think our immigration laws are unfair at all.
I don't know but this quote from Gandhi left me thinking.
If someone has seen Gandhi's movie, with Ben Kingsley representing him, I recommend it, what would have Gandhi done if he was an illegal immigrant?
What are your thoughts?
From what I've read I understand Mexico is very harsh on illegals from their southern border. Should Mexicos law just be over looked because illegals in Mexico don't think it's fair to them?
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From what I've read I understand Mexico is very harsh on illegals from their southern border. Should Mexicos law just be over looked because illegals in Mexico don't think it's fair to them?
I call their status as "voluntary slaves" If you look at it, they cannot gain in our economy, they get paid lower than minimum wage. They have to sneak around, and enjoy no real "American dream"
they put themselves into a form of slavery in my opinion.
Make them come into our country Legally, and let them grab ahold of the "American Dream"
While you are partially correct, those who are really making no economical gain in this country could not afford to send billions of dollars to their home country every year as our current crop of illegal aliens continues to do. That's one of the reason Mexico's government continues to encourage rather than discourage illegal immigration. A good portion of Mexico's economy relies on remittances from its citizens residing illegally in the U.S. There is definite economic incentive for them illegally cross the border.
As far as the sneaking around part goes, I hardly think that millions of illegal aliens marching down American streets demanding rights reserved for American citizens can be called an underground existence.
I don't know but this quote from Gandhi left me thinking.
If someone has seen Gandhi's movie, with Ben Kingsley representing him, I recommend it, what would have Gandhi done if he was an illegal immigrant?
What are your thoughts?
a good arguement good post.
but what if everybody gets an ak47 (which ghandi did not do and this was the critical part of the analogy) and starts making their own law as they see fit?
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I agree that no one should be illegal. If they don't belong here, they should not be here. The thing that causes me the most concern about those people who are here illegally is that they do not seem to have any respect for the law and I am concerned that will turn us into a third world type country. Obeying laws is what separates us from the animals. To live without law is to live with chaos. People who think they are above the law scare me.
I agree, law and order come from our higher selves, basic instincts are more animal in nature.
But common sense is also needed to separate right from wrong, Primae Noctis was a law during the middle ages, and that didn't made it right, Apartheid was a law in more recent times, and that didn't made it right either.
But I agree, people shouldn't feel over the law, what to do?
Something tells me that if illegal immigrants had the chance to come legally, they would be more willing to assimilate and respect laws, people who burn flags or go to marches and those things do it out of despair and angst, because they feel that the world has turned it's back on them, they feel rejected, isolated and don't know better because the light in their minds is covered by the dark coat of ignorance.
People who is involved in the illegal immigration system (politicians, coorporations, corrupt border patrol officers, ice officers and illegal immigrants) create a dysfunctional relation because their actions make these people believe they have a right to be here and demand things, at the same time society rejects them and hypocrite politicians say one thing to them and other to the citizens creating a serious lack of communication and understanding.
At least, we had a chance to study, we were born in a loving family that raised us to be good humans and citizens, we can do better! We can create a better world! isn't this ideal what made america what it is? a beautiful democratic, equalitarian society who is generous, concerned and has always felt that has the moral obligation to be the world's big brother?
We are our brother's keeper aren't we? I want to kindly ask you, my brothers, my dear brothers to reflect on this with the heart.
Yours truly
An imperfect and flawed human being just like the rest of you.
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Dear travellin fella,
It's getting late and I am tired. How about if I get back to you in the morning?
Also, do you have any updates on the flood situation?
andreabeth
Dear Andrea, I was tired yesterday too, and the internet was behaving erratically so I couldn't return
The most recent headers about the flood are the following.
Tabasco: Authorities reveal that the victim died of a trauma and not drowned 09:30
Tabasco: The first mortal victim of the flood is found 00:05
Tabasco: Health minister justifies his stay in luxury hotels 00:03
Tabasco: Specialists warned about catastrophe since 2004 00:02
Tabasco: Normalization of Activities begins 00:07
Tabasco: Back home after flood and pillage 00:08
Tabasco: More than 500 pets are left unattended 00:12
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