Another immigration hardliner bites the dust (Ron Paul, gallon, illegal aliens, accuse)
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So what's your story olecapt? Spend all your time on the board stalking AZBear so you can toss your standard rote "redneck" slur at him and run?
Hey that was a "redneck shoe" And if the shoe fits he should wear it.
I think a number of the folks here are true believers in the redneck fairy tale. That if the xenophobes get together and hate the illegals hard enough they will go back whence they came.
I believe that thinking prevents real solutions to the problem and just creates antagonism between the ethnic groups.
and I think that the emphasis on hassling the illegals simply delays progress while the illegal population continues to rise.
I have long said the likely solution is exhausting the eligible demographic from Mexico. And the redneck fairy tale folk make that more and more likely.
Actually you are anti practical solutions...a believer in the fairy tale redneck creed..."all you gotta do is...".
How is rewarding law breakers practical or a solution?
For example -- speeding laws. Someone's always going to break them, so we should reward those going 90 mph or driving dangerously because that would be a practical solution? Or eliminate the speeding and traffic laws because some choose to break them?
It really is not practical to throw open our borders and invite the entire world in or all the world's indigent population just because they want a better life but don't want to work for a better life in their own country.
Hey that was a "redneck shoe" And if the shoe fits he should wear it.
I think a number of the folks here are true believers in the redneck fairy tale. That if the xenophobes get together and hate the illegals hard enough they will go back whence they came.
I believe that thinking prevents real solutions to the problem and just creates antagonism between the ethnic groups.
and I think that the emphasis on hassling the illegals simply delays progress while the illegal population continues to rise.
I have long said the likely solution is exhausting the eligible demographic from Mexico. And the redneck fairy tale folk make that more and more likely.
And you open borders types are really just about ultra cheap labor -- because with the chaos in Mexico, you really can't claim the big exodus out is benefitting Mexico and there's no reason to say all the cheap labor is really benefitting the USA.
The only ones who benefit are the elitists who believe they must have the cheapest servants possible and the corporations wanting desperate labor that will work for dirt pay and doesn't expect health insurance or other benefits.
How is rewarding law breakers practical or a solution?
For example -- speeding laws. Someone's always going to break them, so we should reward those going 90 mph or driving dangerously because that would be a practical solution? Or eliminate the speeding and traffic laws because some choose to break them?
It really is not practical to throw open our borders and invite the entire world in or all the world's indigent population just because they want a better life but don't want to work for a better life in their own country.
It happens all the time. We don't enforce the law when it is impractical. Ever been in a riot? Think the cops hunt down and arrest each and every?
Try the speeding laws. Do you think we actually enforce them? Any morinng on any freeway that is not clogged watch us all go 10 or 15 mph over the speed limit. Virtually ever car is speeding. Do the cops put up mammoth road blocks and nail them all? Do they propose hiring another 1000 officers to fully enforce the speedling laws? Nah they ignore the problem based on bigger fish to fry. Now around here the speed limits in a school zone are rigidly enforced and everyone obays them So the powers that be can enforce speed laws...but mostly find it to disruptive to do so.
The US border issue almost exclusively involves the few remaining millions of Mexicans in particular ecomonic conditions. They have come in huge numbers have integrated into society to deeply to be removed without great pain and difficulty. And they have a few million American children.
I see no possibility of gaining control of the illegal problem at the present numbers. A few hundred thousand we could likely run down and control. And even if a few slip through it will not be a big deal. But we cannot deal with the massive numbers involved.
So first we need to get the problem to something that can be dealt with. And that likely involves a path to known and controllable status for those here. Than we begin concentrating our efforts to assure no more come except by the legal route. And I suspect we may still have to double or triple the size of the operation to achieve long term control.
And you open borders types are really just about ultra cheap labor -- because with the chaos in Mexico, you really can't claim the big exodus out is benefitting Mexico and there's no reason to say all the cheap labor is really benefitting the USA.
The only ones who benefit are the elitists who believe they must have the cheapest servants possible and the corporations wanting desperate labor that will work for dirt pay and doesn't expect health insurance or other benefits.
It happens all the time. We don't enforce the law when it is impractical. Ever been in a riot? Think the cops hunt down and arrest each and every?
Try the speeding laws. Do you think we actually enforce them? Any morinng on any freeway that is not clogged watch us all go 10 or 15 mph over the speed limit. Virtually ever car is speeding. Do the cops put up mammoth road blocks and nail them all? Do they propose hiring another 1000 officers to fully enforce the speedling laws? Nah they ignore the problem based on bigger fish to fry. Now around here the speed limits in a school zone are rigidly enforced and everyone obays them So the powers that be can enforce speed laws...but mostly find it to disruptive to do so.
The US border issue almost exclusively involves the few remaining millions of Mexicans in particular ecomonic conditions. They have come in huge numbers have integrated into society to deeply to be removed without great pain and difficulty. And they have a few million American children.
I see no possibility of gaining control of the illegal problem at the present numbers. A few hundred thousand we could likely run down and control. And even if a few slip through it will not be a big deal. But we cannot deal with the massive numbers involved.
So first we need to get the problem to something that can be dealt with. And that likely involves a path to known and controllable status for those here. Than we begin concentrating our efforts to assure no more come except by the legal route. And I suspect we may still have to double or triple the size of the operation to achieve long term control.
Let me put it this way: as the recession deepens; the illegals will be the most expendable so there will be less and less resistance to laws similar to what Az and Ok have in dealing with the problem------read that tossing millions of the above out.
As for the age 17 down Anchor Babies; the law will be changed to deny birthright citizenship of both parents are here illegally------most likely 'grandfathering' in those Anchors born prior to the cut off date. And; in all fairness, most of the minor age Anchors; once back in Mexico, etc. will likely stay there due to Mx's imploding birthrate. Remember; the pre cutoff Anchors could still return to the USA @ age 18 unless staying with legal friends/family already.
Let me put it this way: as the recession deepens; the illegals will be the most expendable so there will be less and less resistance to laws similar to what Az and Ok have in dealing with the problem------read that tossing millions of the above out.
As for the age 17 down Anchor Babies; the law will be changed to deny birthright citizenship of both parents are here illegally------most likely 'grandfathering' in those Anchors born prior to the cut off date. And; in all fairness, most of the minor age Anchors; once back in Mexico, etc. will likely stay there due to Mx's imploding birthrate. Remember; the pre cutoff Anchors could still return to the USA @ age 18 unless staying with legal friends/family already.
The law to change birthright citizenship is not going to change anytime soon. Do you know the trouble they must go throught to ammend the constitution?
The law to change birthright citizenship is not going to change anytime soon. Do you know the trouble they must go throught to ammend the constitution?
As the Bear continues to demonstrate he is a true believer in the redneck fairy tale. Whatever is in the way will have fairy dust sprinkled on it and go away.
The sad thing is that these folks will tend to prevent any real progress in the area. And they feel good about that.
The sad thing is that these folks will tend to prevent any real progress in the area. And they feel good about that.
And what, exactly, would you consider to be "real progress"?
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