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Agreed, and it's not punishing the so-called kids for anything it's not rewarding their parents for bringing them here illegally. Kids shouldn't benefit from their parent's law breaking. It's hardly punishing anyone when the whole family can return to their homeland together and unseparated. Otherwise why would the kids want to remain here while their parents are deported? What happened to those family values we keep hearing about?
So lets say the dreamer is old enough to not have any parents left and has no family in their birth country. They don't even speak the language. They've been here 20 years through no choice of their own. Do we send them back? Don't you think that's a tad cruel? Put yourself in their shoes.
You're at home and ice shows up at your door and taps you on the shoulder. You're being deported. You ask why. It's because you were born in a foreign country, yet you've lived here your entire life. You're being sent to a country and you don't speak the language and there will be no one there to help you. Don't you think that would be a tad cruel?
It's not a simple one size fits all problem. Yes those that are here illegally with minors should go home. Agreed. End DACA? Agreed. It sends the wrong message, but how about a compromise and grandfather those in here that had no choice. It's a humanitarian issues and shouldn't be politicized. Hate fueled emotion needs to fall by the roadside and we have to look at this in a humane way.
So lets say the dreamer is old enough to not have any parents left and has no family in their birth country. They don't even speak the language. They've been here 20 years through no choice of their own. Do we send them back? Don't you think that's a tad cruel? Put yourself in their shoes.
You're at home and ice shows up at your door and taps you on the shoulder. You're being deported. You ask why. It's because you were born in a foreign country, yet you've lived here your entire life. You're being sent to a country and you don't speak the language and there will be no one there to help you. Don't you think that would be a tad cruel?
It's not a simple one size fits all problem. Yes those that are here illegally with minors should go home. Agreed. End DACA? Agreed. It sends the wrong message, but how about a compromise and grandfather those in here that had no choice. It's a humanitarian issues and shouldn't be politicized. Hate fueled emotion needs to fall by the roadside and we have to look at this in a humane way.
They do speak "language". How do you think they communicated with their parents while growing up? Do you seriously think that functionally illiterate people who sneak into this country are fluent in English? So, please stop with the nonsense that they don't "know the language". And, yes, they still have relatives in their home countries.
Once again, it's not "a tad cruel" at all to send them back to their own countries. BTW, some have been here a lot, lot less than "20 years".
Okay, I'll "put [myself] in their shoes". If was being deported, I would be very angry at my parents for having put me in this predicament.
Are you willing to open your home to these DACAs who were raised without a moral compass? That's what they all are like as their parents set bad examples for them.
Do you think it's "a tad cruel" that kids of bank robbers don't get to keep the loot their parents stole? Do you think it's "a tad cruel" that kids end up in foster care when their American citizens go to jail?
DACA is not "a humanitarian issue" --- not at all. These DACAs do have options. When they turn 18 1/2, they are officially considered to be "out of status". Yet so very, very few make an effort to adjust their status. If they were raised to be honest people and wanted to go to college, they would have applied to go as foreign students, which is exactly what they are.
Tell us how it is fair to foreign students whose parents didn't sneak into this country but want to go to an American college? These students have to obtain foreign student visas and if they go to state colleges, have to pay out-of-state rates. Many states allow DACAs, who are nothing but squatters in this country, to get in-state tuition. Meanwhile, American citizens who live in other states have to pay full freight.
Where is your sympathy for the above^^^^people?
ETA: Apparently you didn't read through this thread before responding. If you did, you would have noticed this link I put in post #29:
Once these DACAs turned 18 1/2, it was up to them to correct their status. Yet very, very few did so. After all, their parents set very bad examples for them by having thumbed their noses at our immigration laws. Thus, DACAs grew up without a moral compass. Now they feel they have the right to make demands of this country.
So lets say the dreamer is old enough to not have any parents left and has no family in their birth country. They don't even speak the language. They've been here 20 years through no choice of their own. Do we send them back? Don't you think that's a tad cruel? Put yourself in their shoes.
You're at home and ice shows up at your door and taps you on the shoulder. You're being deported. You ask why. It's because you were born in a foreign country, yet you've lived here your entire life. You're being sent to a country and you don't speak the language and there will be no one there to help you. Don't you think that would be a tad cruel?
It's not a simple one size fits all problem. Yes those that are here illegally with minors should go home. Agreed. End DACA? Agreed. It sends the wrong message, but how about a compromise and grandfather those in here that had no choice. It's a humanitarian issues and shouldn't be politicized. Hate fueled emotion needs to fall by the roadside and we have to look at this in a humane way.
"They don't even speak the language. They've been here 20 years"
If they CAN'T speak our language after being her 20 years, why would we want thm?
"the republican's war on education is ever evident"
If this is supposed be some sort of example of "education" you (or more likely your parents) wasted a LOT of money.
Most often the liberal idea of education produces more liberals, incapable of thinking independently, only being able to parrot memorized talking points. Witness the liberals on this thread. No, we won't stand by and allow these indoctrination centers continue as is.
So lets say the dreamer is old enough to not have any parents left and has no family in their birth country. They don't even speak the language. They've been here 20 years through no choice of their own. Do we send them back? Don't you think that's a tad cruel? Put yourself in their shoes.
You're at home and ice shows up at your door and taps you on the shoulder. You're being deported. You ask why. It's because you were born in a foreign country, yet you've lived here your entire life. You're being sent to a country and you don't speak the language and there will be no one there to help you. Don't you think that would be a tad cruel?
It's not a simple one size fits all problem. Yes those that are here illegally with minors should go home. Agreed. End DACA? Agreed. It sends the wrong message, but how about a compromise and grandfather those in here that had no choice. It's a humanitarian issues and shouldn't be politicized. Hate fueled emotion needs to fall by the roadside and we have to look at this in a humane way.
I moved from USSR to Israel without knowing a single word in Hebrew, then I moved to Wallonia in Belgium without speaking French.
It's absolutely doable.
So lets say the dreamer is old enough to not have any parents left and has no family in their birth country. They don't even speak the language. They've been here 20 years through no choice of their own. Do we send them back?
Yes.
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Originally Posted by animalcrazy
Don't you think that's a tad cruel? Put yourself in their shoes.
What crappy parents ... to put their kids in such a situation. Also, how exactly did they stay 20 years through no choice of their own? Seems at age 18 they could have begun to do something about it.
What crappy parents ... to put their kids in such a situation. Also, how exactly did they stay 20 years through no choice of their own? Seems at age 18 they could have begun to do something about it.
Yeah the whole liberal narrative that the DACA individuals have no fault is a red herring. They remained illegally in the US as adults instead of going home.
Honestly, I don't think Trump wants to deport the dreamers since he keeps changing his mind like a ping pong ball back and forth. He was a democrat. I think he has more compassion towards dreamers than his base does, and that is a dilemma with him. But he has Miller whispering in his ear....make America white again. And Trump wants to appease his base. Obviously, Mexico isn't going to pay for the wall so he wants us to pay for it. I don't know why any of his supporters are ok with paying for the wall when illegal entry is at it's lowest.
He doesn't want to deport them but he wants the wall as part of the solution to prevent this from happening again. I think most republicans feel this way. Democrats don't want the wall, they want amnesty for all illegals and to no wall so it's easy for more to come here illegally. If Dems get their way, we'll be going through this again.
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I don't know why any of his supporters are ok with paying for the wall when illegal entry is at it's lowest.
