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Believe me sister, I've seen plenty of front line action. I left Mexifornia a year ago to continue my education, but not before I got a slew of life's lessons living in Los Angeles, California.
I've protested, written more letters and made more calls to Congress and the Senate than I care to count. I've had my a** beaten nearly to a pulp in Maywood, California by illegal aliens and their Socialist supporters for the huge crime of being a blonde headed white woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've stood with Ted Hayes in Leimert Park, and I've marched in Los Angeles with the Crispus Attucks Brigade and Save Our State in enemy territory in downtown Lost Angeles numerous times--so don't tell me about "getting involved." I've risked my life to be involved.
I may have been lucky to have been born in America but thousands upon thousands of people have died or been seriiously injured to insure my right to have what I have in this country, including my father, who was seriously and permanently injured in WWII, and my sister, who died from her service related injuries.
Just because I happened to be lucky enough to have been born here, doesn't mean that I now have to sit back and watch my country be taken over by millions of people who are all here illegally.
Why don't you go live in the Appalachias for awhile and then tell me how bad some farmer in a small Mexican town has it. I have--and I'll bet you wouldn't last 48 hours with no running water, drinking dirty, untreated water from a stream, no heat, no electricity, no bathrooms, no shoes, a ramshackle shack with rain pouring in through the roof, no warm clothing, and not enough food to keep your babies from going to bed hungry every night. These people live in the richest country in the world. Where are their basics and where are their advocacy groups?
When that sort of poverty no longer exists in the United States of America, I will start worrying about the poor who live SOB. But until that day comes, let their own government step up and take care of its people. Mexico is the 16th richest country in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at--let them do the right thing for a change instead on relying on America to take care of its problems.
BTW, California's debt for services to illegal aliens runs in the neighborhood of 10.5 BILLION DOLLARS a year, paid for by the sweat of American taxpayers. Nearly 70 hospitals have had to shut their emergency room doors because they've been driven into bankruptcy by non paying illegal alien patients. I would hardly call that giving more than they are getting.
Can't add a thing....you've said it all, once again...
Our government will never hold them accountable. They do too much work here cheaply. If you want to try to make a difference, ask to see the Green Cards of all cooks in the restaurants that you eat at. Look into who is working the agricultural fields picking the produce that you buy at the grocery store. Migrant farmers are. I get my car washed by hand here and vacuumed, and the entire interior cleaned for $9! It's a wash. They make take from our country but they give back too in other ways. They work hard and for cheap and they don't carry debt.
The same could be said of slaves. I guess by your 'logic' slavery should never have been abolished. You can't find a cheaper workforce than slaves, can you?
Believe me sister, I've seen plenty of front line action. I left Mexifornia a year ago to continue my education, but not before I got a slew of life's lessons living in Los Angeles, California.
I've protested, written more letters and made more calls to Congress and the Senate than I care to count. I've had my a** beaten nearly to a pulp in Maywood, California by illegal aliens and their Socialist supporters for the huge crime of being a blonde headed white woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've stood with Ted Hayes in Leimert Park, and I've marched in Los Angeles with the Crispus Attucks Brigade and Save Our State in enemy territory in downtown Lost Angeles numerous times--so don't tell me about "getting involved." I've risked my life to be involved.
I may have been lucky to have been born in America but thousands upon thousands of people have died or been seriiously injured to insure my right to have what I have in this country, including my father, who was seriously and permanently injured in WWII, and my sister, who died from her service related injuries.
Just because I happened to be lucky enough to have been born here, doesn't mean that I now have to sit back and watch my country be taken over by millions of people who are all here illegally.
Why don't you go live in the Appalachias for awhile and then tell me how bad some farmer in a small Mexican town has it. I have--and I'll bet you wouldn't last 48 hours with no running water, drinking dirty, untreated water from a stream, no heat, no electricity, no bathrooms, no shoes, a ramshackle shack with rain pouring in through the roof, no warm clothing, and not enough food to keep your babies from going to bed hungry every night. These people live in the richest country in the world. Where are their basics and where are their advocacy groups?
When that sort of poverty no longer exists in the United States of America, I will start worrying about the poor who live SOB. But until that day comes, let their own government step up and take care of its people. Mexico is the 16th richest country in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at--let them do the right thing for a change instead on relying on America to take care of its problems.
BTW, California's debt for services to illegal aliens runs in the neighborhood of 10.5 BILLION DOLLARS a year, paid for by the sweat of American taxpayers. Nearly 70 hospitals have had to shut their emergency room doors because they've been driven into bankruptcy by non paying illegal alien patients. I would hardly call that giving more than they are getting.
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Kafar, now you see the mindset here, there is ALWAYS that little threat that get's tossed around. I don't condone either when they have robbed, used someone ID, but crossing over here to work and try to have thing better for their families, I have zero problem with.
Whether you have a problem with it or not, does not make it any less of a crime.
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Believe me sister, I've seen plenty of front line action. I left Mexifornia a year ago to continue my education, but not before I got a slew of life's lessons living in Los Angeles, California.
I've protested, written more letters and made more calls to Congress and the Senate than I care to count.
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I've had my a** beaten nearly to a pulp in Maywood, California by illegal aliens and their Socialist supporters
for the huge crime of being a blonde headed white woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've stood with Ted Hayes in Leimert Park, and I've marched in Los Angeles with the Crispus Attucks Brigade and Save Our State in enemy territory in downtown Lost Angeles numerous times--so don't tell me about "getting involved." I've risked my life to be involved.
I may have been lucky to have been born in America but thousands upon thousands of people have died or been seriiously injured to insure my right to have what I have in this country, including my father, who was seriously and permanently injured in WWII, and my sister, who died from her service related injuries.
Just because I happened to be lucky enough to have been born here, doesn't mean that I now have to sit back and watch my country be taken over by millions of people who are all here illegally.
Why don't you go live in the Appalachias for awhile and then tell me how bad some farmer in a small Mexican town has it. I have--and I'll bet you wouldn't last 48 hours with no running water, drinking dirty, untreated water from a stream, no heat, no electricity, no bathrooms, no shoes, a ramshackle shack with rain pouring in through the roof, no warm clothing, and not enough food to keep your babies from going to bed hungry every night. These people live in the richest country in the world. Where are their basics and where are their advocacy groups?
When that sort of poverty no longer exists in the United States of America, I will start worrying about the poor who live SOB. But until that day comes, let their own government step up and take care of its people. Mexico is the 16th richest country in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at--let them do the right thing for a change instead on relying on America to take care of its problems.
BTW, California's debt for services to illegal aliens runs in the neighborhood of 10.5 BILLION DOLLARS a year, paid for by the sweat of American taxpayers. Nearly 70 hospitals have had to shut their emergency room doors because they've been driven into bankruptcy by non paying illegal alien patients. I would hardly call that giving more than they are getting.
Believe me sister, I've seen plenty of front line action. I left Mexifornia a year ago to continue my education, but not before I got a slew of life's lessons living in Los Angeles, California.
I've protested, written more letters and made more calls to Congress and the Senate than I care to count. I've had my a** beaten nearly to a pulp in Maywood, California by illegal aliens and their Socialist supporters for the huge crime of being a blonde headed white woman in the wrong place at the wrong time. I've stood with Ted Hayes in Leimert Park, and I've marched in Los Angeles with the Crispus Attucks Brigade and Save Our State in enemy territory in downtown Lost Angeles numerous times--so don't tell me about "getting involved." I've risked my life to be involved.
I may have been lucky to have been born in America but thousands upon thousands of people have died or been seriiously injured to insure my right to have what I have in this country, including my father, who was seriously and permanently injured in WWII, and my sister, who died from her service related injuries.
Just because I happened to be lucky enough to have been born here, doesn't mean that I now have to sit back and watch my country be taken over by millions of people who are all here illegally.
Why don't you go live in the Appalachias for awhile and then tell me how bad some farmer in a small Mexican town has it. I have--and I'll bet you wouldn't last 48 hours with no running water, drinking dirty, untreated water from a stream, no heat, no electricity, no bathrooms, no shoes, a ramshackle shack with rain pouring in through the roof, no warm clothing, and not enough food to keep your babies from going to bed hungry every night. These people live in the richest country in the world. Where are their basics and where are their advocacy groups?
When that sort of poverty no longer exists in the United States of America, I will start worrying about the poor who live SOB. But until that day comes, let their own government step up and take care of its people. Mexico is the 16th richest country in the world. That's nothing to sneeze at--let them do the right thing for a change instead on relying on America to take care of its problems.
BTW, California's debt for services to illegal aliens runs in the neighborhood of 10.5 BILLION DOLLARS a year, paid for by the sweat of American taxpayers. Nearly 70 hospitals have had to shut their emergency room doors because they've been driven into bankruptcy by non paying illegal alien patients. I would hardly call that giving more than they are getting.
We have something in common. My father fought in Germany and France in WWII and was permanently maimed by shrapnel. And I have been to the Appalachians and was shocked. And it made me better understand how people who live in those conditions may be propelled to leave and move elsewhere for a better life. Chicago offers free health care to anyone that resides in Cook County. Sure, illegals use it. But so do hundreds of thousands of inner city American born people that don't have health insurance. A close friend of mine had a hernia operation there at a time when he was between jobs and without insurance. I realize that many US born people are down and out. I see homeless every day. But no one is stopping them from taking a job as a bus boy or landscaper. I don't know anyone personally that is a US citizen that feels that an illegal alien has taken a job away from them. No one I know would want those jobs. As far as hospitals and other services; we may be paying more taxes, but you know that fellow citizens are making money. Ask any Section 8 Landlord what a sweet deal it is to own a Section 8 property. Ask a hospital CEO and the top administrators what their salaries are. The issue here is that it's the middle class that carries alot of the weight of all of this. However, it's difficult to not understand how people who live like crap in Mexico or Central America, would not aspire to live here. It's a matter of pure survival. It's the same reason my grandparents came here. Sure, they came here legally because the US needed people to do hard labor and menial work. My grandfather did hard labor laying down railroad tracks in the Midwest for little pay and in horrible conditions. My grandmother worked in a sweat shop, sewing. My other grandparents also had hellish jobs. My parents (born here) both started school without knowing any English except for their address in case of an emergency. My dad wound up going to college and law school on the GI Bill. By the time my parents were 6 or 7, they both knew English but never spoke it at home. My paternal grandfather lived here until he died at 91 and never learned English. But he worked in a brewery, managed to buy an apartment building and contributed to society. That's the immigrant dream. You have to look past the newcomers. They many need assistance but they work like dogs. Their kids will learn English in school and have an easier time in this country than their parents did. I know ALOT of immigrants that moved her from Kosovo after the War in the former Yugoslavia. Most of them wound up going into business for themselves and do better than most of my US born friends. It's because they are hungry for something better. They came here with nothing and had to start all over...at 30, 40 years old. The people in the Appalachians were born here and English is their first language. Sure I feel sorry for them, but many immigrants blow them away when it comes to education and overall wealth building and success. You may feel that illegal aliens take our country for granted, but I think many don't. They feel very lucky to have gotten here alive and are quite happy working 60 hours a week washing dishes in the back of restaurant. They are new here and it will take 1 or 2 generations for their family to take hold. If their kids are born here, they are citizens and they will have an easier time. It's not easy moving away from one's homeland and starting over. Try to be more empathetic.
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Legal immigrants (of any race/ethnicity) are welcome here in my eyes-----------they tend to do as Chinolala described.
It is the illegal ones-----------again of any race/ethnicity who need to be deported. They are lawbreakers by definition and almost always commit Felonies trying to stay here. ID theft being a biggie.
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We have something in common. My father fought in Germany and France in WWII and was permanently maimed by shrapnel. And I have been to the Appalachians and was shocked. And it made me better understand how people who live in those conditions may be propelled to leave and move elsewhere for a better life. Chicago offers free health care to anyone that resides in Cook County.
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Sure, illegals use it. But so do hundreds of thousands of inner city American born people that don't have health insurance.
A close friend of mine had a hernia operation there at a time when he was between jobs and without insurance. I realize that many US born people are down and out. I see homeless every day. But no one is stopping them from taking a job as a bus boy or landscaper. I don't know anyone personally that is a US citizen that feels that an illegal alien has taken a job away from them. No one I know would want those jobs. As far as hospitals and other services; we may be paying more taxes, but you know that fellow citizens are making money. Ask any Section 8 Landlord what a sweet deal it is to own a Section 8 property. Ask a hospital CEO and the top administrators what their salaries are. The issue here is that it's the middle class that carries alot of the weight of all of this. However, it's difficult to not understand how people who live like crap in Mexico or Central America, would not aspire to live here. It's a matter of pure survival. It's the same reason my grandparents came here. Sure, they came here legally because the US needed people to do hard labor and menial work. My grandfather did hard labor laying down railroad tracks in the Midwest for little pay and in horrible conditions. My grandmother worked in a sweat shop, sewing. My other grandparents also had hellish jobs. My parents (born here) both started school without knowing any English except for their address in case of an emergency. My dad wound up going to college and law school on the GI Bill. By the time my parents were 6 or 7, they both knew English but never spoke it at home. My paternal grandfather lived here until he died at 91 and never learned English. But he worked in a brewery, managed to buy an apartment building and contributed to society. That's the immigrant dream. You have to look past the newcomers. They many need assistance but they work like dogs. Their kids will learn English in school and have an easier time in this country than their parents did. I know ALOT of immigrants that moved her from Kosovo after the War in the former Yugoslavia. Most of them wound up going into business for themselves and do better than most of my US born friends. It's because they are hungry for something better. They came here with nothing and had to start all over...at 30, 40 years old. The people in the Appalachians were born here and English is their first language. Sure I feel sorry for them, but many immigrants blow them away when it comes to education and overall wealth building and success. You may feel that illegal aliens take our country for granted, but I think many don't. They feel very lucky to have gotten here alive and are quite happy working 60 hours a week washing dishes in the back of restaurant. They are new here and it will take 1 or 2 generations for their family to take hold. If their kids are born here, they are citizens and they will have an easier time. It's not easy moving away from one's homeland and starting over. Try to be more empathetic.
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Sure, illegals use it. But so do hundreds of thousands of inner city American born people that don't have health insurance.
You still don't get the point to this issue.
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The issue here is that it's the middle class that carries alot of the weight of all of this.
That is not the issue here.
The Biography of your Friends and Relatives is irrelavent to this topic.
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We have something in common. My father fought in Germany and France in WWII and was permanently maimed by shrapnel. And I have been to the Appalachians and was shocked. And it made me better understand how people who live in those conditions may be propelled to leave and move elsewhere for a better life. Chicago offers free health care to anyone that resides in Cook County. Sure, illegals use it. But so do hundreds of thousands of inner city American born people that don't have health insurance. A close friend of mine had a hernia operation there at a time when he was between jobs and without insurance. I realize that many US born people are down and out. I see homeless every day. But no one is stopping them from taking a job as a bus boy or landscaper. I don't know anyone personally that is a US citizen that feels that an illegal alien has taken a job away from them. No one I know would want those jobs. As far as hospitals and other services; we may be paying more taxes, but you know that fellow citizens are making money. Ask any Section 8 Landlord what a sweet deal it is to own a Section 8 property. Ask a hospital CEO and the top administrators what their salaries are. The issue here is that it's the middle class that carries alot of the weight of all of this. However, it's difficult to not understand how people who live like crap in Mexico or Central America, would not aspire to live here. It's a matter of pure survival. It's the same reason my grandparents came here. Sure, they came here legally because the US needed people to do hard labor and menial work. My grandfather did hard labor laying down railroad tracks in the Midwest for little pay and in horrible conditions. My grandmother worked in a sweat shop, sewing. My other grandparents also had hellish jobs. My parents (born here) both started school without knowing any English except for their address in case of an emergency. My dad wound up going to college and law school on the GI Bill. By the time my parents were 6 or 7, they both knew English but never spoke it at home. My paternal grandfather lived here until he died at 91 and never learned English. But he worked in a brewery, managed to buy an apartment building and contributed to society. That's the immigrant dream. You have to look past the newcomers. They many need assistance but they work like dogs. Their kids will learn English in school and have an easier time in this country than their parents did. I know ALOT of immigrants that moved her from Kosovo after the War in the former Yugoslavia. Most of them wound up going into business for themselves and do better than most of my US born friends. It's because they are hungry for something better. They came here with nothing and had to start all over...at 30, 40 years old. The people in the Appalachians were born here and English is their first language. Sure I feel sorry for them, but many immigrants blow them away when it comes to education and overall wealth building and success. You may feel that illegal aliens take our country for granted, but I think many don't. They feel very lucky to have gotten here alive and are quite happy working 60 hours a week washing dishes in the back of restaurant. They are new here and it will take 1 or 2 generations for their family to take hold. If their kids are born here, they are citizens and they will have an easier time. It's not easy moving away from one's homeland and starting over. Try to be more empathetic.
So what your saying is........just because you and everyone you know are not affected by "ILLEGAL" Immigration, all of those who came and are still coming to this country illegally should be let off the hook and we should just let them go on doing what their doing?
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