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Old 04-16-2008, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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If you accept fraudulent documents in addition to hiring illegals and probably not following wage and labor laws, that is at least 2.
The OP did not take into account state rico laws -
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Southwest Pa
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(who do YOU think will replace them?).
Wait, let me think this one out......300 unemployed Americans from the local area who will be able to call their handout office and have them cancel their monthly checks now that they've found gainful employment at a local manufacturer and are glad they can be counted as stand-up citizens of this great land?

What? No?
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:16 PM
 
Location: California
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Wait, let me think this one out......300 unemployed Americans from the local area who will be able to call their handout office and have them cancel their monthly checks now that they've found gainful employment at a local manufacturer and are glad they can be counted as stand-up citizens of this great land?

What? No?
300 americans lined up for jobs in the fields?
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Old 04-16-2008, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Southwest Pa
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300 americans lined up for jobs in the fields?
Yeah, sad ain't it?
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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300 americans lined up for jobs in the fields?
Cut off said 300 Americans' welfare/unemployment checks-------damn skippy they will start working.
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Rosarito Beach
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It's a great idea to learn Spanish before taking a trip to Spain or Mexico, and certainly enhances your travel experiences but no American should be required to learn any particular foreign language just to live in his own country.

How would you like to be told you must learn Chinese in order to have a job and that if you don't attain native Chinese fluency you can forget ever having a job? Or Swahili, or whatever foreign language.
There are many jobs in the US that require fluency in a foreign language.
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Rosarito Beach
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RICO charges is a wonderful idea, except nobody in the government, who matters, CARES. I've worked for two different companies (same industry) who both violate the RICO act by mislabeling employees as "independent contractors", a scam that goes on in many industries. They do this to avoid paying state and federal taxes and benefits. I turned them both in, and guess what? NOBODY cares . . . .

Perhaps if the government DID its job, the employers would not find it so easy to violate the laws, then maybe those illegal jobs would go away, and then maybe . . . .
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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RICO charges is a wonderful idea, except nobody in the government, who matters, CARES. I've worked for two different companies (same industry) who both violate the RICO act by mislabeling employees as "independent contractors", a scam that goes on in many industries. They do this to avoid paying state and federal taxes and benefits. I turned them both in, and guess what? NOBODY cares . . . .
Independent contractors is legitimate. Quite common. And, there is no law requireing the payment of "benefits"

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Perhaps if the government DID its job, the employers would not find it so easy to violate the laws, then maybe those illegal jobs would go away, and then maybe . . . .
And RICO charge potential is used.
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Old 04-17-2008, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Little Pond Farm
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Funny thing is the Feds want to regulate Hay deliveries for livestock due to contamination of our food supply yet we have no idea what diseases the illegals who are working in our slaughterhouses may have................
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Old 04-17-2008, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Rosarito Beach
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Independent contractors is legitimate. Quite common. And, there is no law requireing the payment of "benefits"
NOT if it is used for an EMPLOYEE, which is defined under state and federal statutes. When it is used that way, knowingly, it is for the purpose of defrauding the State and US government, as well as the employee.

It is used by many crooked employers as a way to lower costs.

In my situation, I was clearly an employee under any "test" the government applied, and the state Labor Board agreed, which is more like a civil decision. The penalty would have to be taken up by the district attorney, who, to date doesn't have the manpower.
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