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Old 05-02-2009, 01:21 PM
 
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In some ways yes. Why do they insist on having children they cannot feed? Why would anyone have children if they cannot even feed themselves? As a Nation of individuals are they for the most part that stupid? If they would quit the breeding it would be much easier to live a better life style.
Typically in the third world, as in Europe prior to the industrial revolution, larger families were the norm. Children mean more help on farms and security to take care of you in old age. Since infant mortality rate is high, thus people have more children to insure at least a few live. Quit breeding means less help, loneliness, and more poverty in the 3rd world.

Again, they don't choose it. The way our current world economy works is that there needs to be a third world to satisfy the needs of the first world. Exploitation.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:22 PM
 
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I agree 100% with this, we all know the formula for prosperity, try to study as much as possible, work hard, plan ahead don't spend more money than you earn and delay childbirth and marriage until you are really able to do it.
Only works if you have $ to begin with. Villagers with less children are poorer than those with more.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Do you understand why the third world is the way it is? Why? People from the third world typically don't commit as many crimes as you portray... and if you bring up Switzerland, Canada, and Belgium...then you have to look at what happened. If you don't, well, your argument is superficial and weak. This is why history needs to be more emphasized in the our education system, so that people can fully understand what happened and not toss out examples at will.
And both Belgium and Canada may wind up breaking apart-----------what is it about 'French' based culture?
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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Typically in the third world, as in Europe prior to the industrial revolution, larger families were the norm. Children mean more help on farms and security to take care of you in old age. Since infant mortality rate is high, thus people have more children to insure at least a few live. Quit breeding means less help, loneliness, and more poverty in the 3rd world.

Again, they don't choose it. The way our current world economy works is that there needs to be a third world to satisfy the needs of the first world. Exploitation.
It is not that high and has not been that high for a long time. Maybe 75 years ago your argument would hold water, but it just does not now. How many people still work on farms anyhow? Even among the farmers, if a family owns a plot of land they farm and the land has to be split among 6 children upon the parents death, leaving no one with a plot big enough to support his family, this is going to cause problems. Once again ,they are persisting in behavior that was appropriate for the times decades ago but now no longer is. How does an out of control fertility rate= less poverty? They need more chances for the children that are here now, not more children. They choose to follow this pattern, NO ONE in the First world is making them have lots of kids. As a matter of fact, millions of dollars have been spent over the years by the US and other countries promoting family planning.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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Again, they don't choose it. The way our current world economy works is that there needs to be a third world to satisfy the needs of the first world. Exploitation.
Obviously, then, it's in our interest to maintain the existence of the Third World for as long as possible....and therefore, probably the WORST thing we could do, is to let those folks 'escape' and come here....where they'd be simultaneously adding to our societal problems, as well as draining the Third World of those exact same benighted denizens that WE want to stay THERE....so they can help satisfy our needs.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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It is not that high and has not been that high for a long time. Maybe 75 years ago your argument would hold water, but it just does not now. How many people still work on farms anyhow? Even among the farmers, if a family owns a plot of land they farm and the land has to be split among 6 children upon the parents death, leaving no one with a plot big enough to support his family, this is going to cause problems. Once again ,they are persisting in behavior that was appropriate for the times decades ago but now no longer is. How does an out of control fertility rate= less poverty? They need more chances for the children that are here now, not more children.They choose to follow this pattern, NO ONE in the First world is making them have lots of kids. As a matter of fact, millions of dollars have been spent over the years by the US and other countries promoting family planning.
Agreed. But that is what people with no education, job skills or ambition do in order to receive a source of income. Those who forbid the use of birth control as opposed to educating and discouraging astronomical birth rates always have an ulterior motive for doing so.

The catholic church and their staunch advocacy for amnesty is one group that comes to mind. . If they really cared about the poverty stricken lives of illegal aliens they would preach abstinence or birth control in lieu thereof.

Nothing like the poor, ignorant and less educated being perpetually bamboozled by those masquerading as representatives of God.
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Old 05-02-2009, 01:58 PM
 
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Only works if you have $ to begin with. Villagers with less children are poorer than those with more.
If this is true, then we can thank our lucky stars that these 'villagers' don't come HERE..because here, poorly-educated people with huge families are MUCH harder to accomodate into our society, than are well-educated folks with only 1 or 2 kids.
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Old 05-02-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Only works if you have $ to begin with. Villagers with less children are poorer than those with more.
Thank God our society differs from the villagers you speak of. I have only one child.
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Old 05-02-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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Thank God our society differs from the villagers you speak of. I have only one child.
Before you get to feeling TOO smug....can you honestly say you haven't put a curse on anyone in the past week? Haven't you at least CONSIDERED raiding the people in the next block, and making off with their livestock? Can you REALLY say we're 'above all that ?'......

Let's not get cavalier here....
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:19 AM
 
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It is not that high and has not been that high for a long time. Maybe 75 years ago your argument would hold water, but it just does not now. How many people still work on farms anyhow? Even among the farmers, if a family owns a plot of land they farm and the land has to be split among 6 children upon the parents death, leaving no one with a plot big enough to support his family, this is going to cause problems. Once again ,they are persisting in behavior that was appropriate for the times decades ago but now no longer is. How does an out of control fertility rate= less poverty? They need more chances for the children that are here now, not more children. They choose to follow this pattern, NO ONE in the First world is making them have lots of kids. As a matter of fact, millions of dollars have been spent over the years by the US and other countries promoting family planning.
Yeah it that is that high. Currently in the first world roughly 2-6 deaths per 1000...and in the majority third world ranging from 50-160 per 1000. and the majority of the third world are agricultural laborers. Just go down the list of ALL third nations and see what the largest segment of the population is employed in...agriculture.

Family planning under the Bush admistration was complete BS...it was a bunch of religious nuts saying don't have sex before marriage and not teaching about disease and condoms. Contraceptives need to be less costly as well in many nations.
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