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Old 04-23-2008, 07:23 AM
 
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Would Mexican Americans support the USA in a war against Mexico??

What's a "Mexican-American"? If that term is meant to describe those Spanish sur-named of the American SW whose roots go back many decades -- then yes, because that is a pretty patriotic American bunch for the most part.

If it also applies to those Spanish surnamed from Mexico who arrived after the 1910s and into the 1950's then I would think most would support the USA because many of them fled Mexico for political reasons.

But if it means any Mexican living in the USA and includes that 1980's amnestied and those millions arriving ever since, then don't count on it. They aren't waving their Mexican flag for no reason, and they aren't joining racist supremacy groups like La Raza because they want to be true Americans. Many mean it when they say that the USA is theirs now and they want the gringos out.

And there aren't Mexican Consulates going up like 7-11s for no reason either.

 
Old 04-23-2008, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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What's a "Mexican-American"? If that term is meant to describe those Spanish sur-named of the American SW whose roots go back many decades -- then yes, because that is a pretty patriotic American bunch for the most part.

If it also applies to those Spanish surnamed from Mexico who arrived after the 1910s and into the 1950's then I would think most would support the USA because many of them fled Mexico for political reasons.

But if it means any Mexican living in the USA and includes that 1980's amnestied and those millions arriving ever since, then don't count on it. They are waving their Mexican flag for no reason, and they aren't joining racist supremacy groups like La Raza because they want to be true Americans. Many mean it when they say that the USA is theirs now and they want the gringos out.

And there aren't Mexican Consulates going up like 7-11s for no reason either.
Not all 'Mexican-Americans' have Spanish surnames--------Bill Richardson and Mitt Romney also come to mind (both man had at least one parent born/raised in Mexico).
 
Old 04-23-2008, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Cali
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German American Bund parade on East 86th St., New York City, October 30, 1939

German American Bund - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The German American Bund quickly disbanded once Germany declared war on the USA in 1941. About 1/3 of the US military was made up of people who were of German descent too.
 
Old 04-23-2008, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Denver
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What's a "Mexican-American"? If that term is meant to describe those Spanish sur-named of the American SW whose roots go back many decades -- then yes, because that is a pretty patriotic American bunch for the most part.

If it also applies to those Spanish surnamed from Mexico who arrived after the 1910s and into the 1950's then I would think most would support the USA because many of them fled Mexico for political reasons.

But if it means any Mexican living in the USA and includes that 1980's amnestied and those millions arriving ever since, then don't count on it. They aren't waving their Mexican flag for no reason, and they aren't joining racist supremacy groups like La Raza because they want to be true Americans. Many mean it when they say that the USA is theirs now and they want the gringos out.

And there aren't Mexican Consulates going up like 7-11s for no reason either.
Honestly I don't think you can speak for those from 80's on either.

I think the reason Mexicans join La Raza et al. is because they feel they are discriminated against here in the United States, which they are. La Raza is the ACLU for Hispanics IMO.

"La Raza" (The Race) is a broad term which refers to those whose ancestry is indigenous to the area of Mexico (or "Aztlan"). I think some of you take "La Raza" has a hateful term and try to blow it up to more than what it is, it is a very common term.

If you go to San Diego's Balboa Park it is actually painted into the mural on the side of a wall there, you can learn about La Raza and what it means to the indigenous people of Mexico. Centro Cultural de la Raza



http://www.centroculturaldelaraza.org/images/NoBordersFlyer_web.jpg (broken link)

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Old 04-23-2008, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Folks,

I think it comes down to sheer numbers. More Mexicans are coming to the US than Germans ever did. With so many coming, it is much easier to not assimilate and just live around fellow illegals who also don't speak the language.

I would also argue that the harder it is to get to the US, the more motivated an immigrant must be. My ancestors had to get on boats in the 1600 and 1700s and cross the Atlantic, vs. Mexicans (some are my friends) who simply get in a van or truck and cross the border or walk across. A few swim too.

Immigrants who can afford a plane ticket here start with a huge advantage, generally more education and money, vs those who can hardly afford to pay a coyote.

I really do wish more Mexicans would learn the language as this would really aid them in getting better jobs. Being a hard worker only gets you so far if you can't do basic math, type or read or speak English. Most illegals would not be able to correspond on a forum such as this because they don't have those basic skills to get ahead in life. I still respect them more, however, than our entitled underclass that refuses to work for minimum wage, instead letting the illegal do the work.

With more and more illegals here all the time, mostly from Mexico, it will be easier for them to not learn our language which only holds them back. My illegal friends all speak fluent English and have decent jobs ($12-18/hr), though they could have much better jobs with proper papers. These are women, not construction workers who can do the job of any person with an associates in business from community college.

The only way those who are here will ever fully assimilate is if we stem the flow of illegals. Building the fence will help do this though they will find other ways to get in. If they can smuggle drugs by the truckload in I am sure they will continue to smuggle people in, but at least the fence will help stem the flow.
 
Old 04-23-2008, 12:25 PM
 
Location: California
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Would Mexican Americans support the USA in a war against Mexico??
As an American of Mexican decent, I would like to say I WOULD!!!
 
Old 04-23-2008, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Cali
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
What's a "Mexican-American"? If that term is meant to describe those Spanish sur-named of the American SW whose roots go back many decades -- then yes, because that is a pretty patriotic American bunch for the most part.

If it also applies to those Spanish surnamed from Mexico who arrived after the 1910s and into the 1950's then I would think most would support the USA because many of them fled Mexico for political reasons.

But if it means any Mexican living in the USA and includes that 1980's amnestied and those millions arriving ever since, then don't count on it. They aren't waving their Mexican flag for no reason, and they aren't joining racist supremacy groups like La Raza because they want to be true Americans. Many mean it when they say that the USA is theirs now and they want the gringos out.

And there aren't Mexican Consulates going up like 7-11s for no reason either.
The ones who have come since the 80s probably make up about 60% of Mexican Americans.
 
Old 04-23-2008, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Denver
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The ones who have come since the 80s probably make up about 60% of Mexican Americans.
In California alone, 70% of Mexicans were legal.

I highly doubt there are enough illegals vs legals in other states to throw that ratio off.
 
Old 04-23-2008, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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California alone, 70% of Mexicans were legal.

I highly doubt there are enough illegals vs legals in other states to throw that ratio off.
'Mexicans' as in immigrants (legal or illegal) from SOB or Americans of 'Mexican' heritage re: the above figure?
 
Old 04-23-2008, 04:16 PM
 
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'Mexicans' as in immigrants (legal or illegal) from SOB or Americans of 'Mexican' heritage re: the above figure?
Who cares, the reality is that they are mostly legal, and the un documented ones usually have anchor babies to assure their own stay, their population will continue growing at more than twice the national average for years to come.
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