Why I am a liberal/lefty who is AGAINST illegal immgration and amnesty for them. (middle east, illegal aliens)
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If we continue our practices in the same manner, then it is never ending (since we never ended our exploitation).
Why are you bringing in socialism? Yeah there is such thing as predatory capitalism...If you exploit and unfairly obtain resources (in a predatory fashion) then that is predatory capitalism.
Also, European countries were the first Western nations out of this crisis BTW. Whereas, we have a debt to GDP ratio than Western European nations.
What practices We give plenty of aid to other countries. A reason were in so much debt. well part of it. which we need to stop. We aren't exploiting or unfairly taking anything from anyone.As for socialism WELL YOUR TALKING LIKE A SOCIALIST. The criss here has to due with factors that only have to do with the U.S. I e. housing criss
America!!!!!!!!! Boy howdy!!!!!!!! Right, and predatory capitalism works? There were many advocates prior to WWII (hence decolonialism). Regardless of the fact that we in fact have stated that we are partly to blame, you still think that we are completely innocent? I pray for America.
To be blunt: the hell with the Third World till they start taking personal responsibility for their colossal failures.
What practices We give plenty of aid to other countries. A reason were in so much debt. well part of it. which we need to stop. We aren't exploiting or unfairly taking anything from anyone.As for socialism WELL YOUR TALKING LIKE A SOCIALIST. The criss here has to due with factors that only have to do with the U.S. I e. housing criss
Unfair trade practices (coffee and chocolate are good examples. We see that the vast majority of the profits goes to the owners whereas production and cultivation recieve a grand total of 10% and 5% each...on average). Farmers that cultivate your chocolate and coffee aren't given their fair share. Let's look at pharmaceuticals. A copy right infrigement suit occurred since the South African government wanted to liberalize the AIDS pharmaceutical industry, thus enable generic drugs to enter into the market and drive prices down (VERY capitalist idea). Let's look at oil...though not an American company, we see that Shell has not aided the local state governments in Nigeria in creating more jobs for Nigerians (Port Harcourt is home to a sizeable expatriate community), stopping the ecological destruction of the Niger Delta, and ineffectual at keeping promises to providing some money to local governments to maintain schools and hospitals. These are just a few examples.
Aid. Yes, aid. Let's look at the previous administration who proposed that aid money for AIDS prevention must include abstinence. Thus, contraceptives of any type. This is ridiculous. Oh, one of the reasons for the Argentine crisis a few years back, was due to economic reforms touted by the IMF anf World Bank (which is the primary source of aid from Western nations to developing nations). This isn't the first time that strings attached to aid have brought about significant harm.
I'm not advocating that production be taken over by the state. That is socialism. So I'm talking like a socialist. I feel that there needs to be some regulation to capitalsim. We have seen the horrors of predatory capitalism. As for the crisis I didn't mention the US housing crisis. Also the crisis has a lot to do with European banks that bought assets from American lending corps. This is a global economic downturn, not simply an American one.
Going back to the OP, I simply feel that if we temperate the desires of both sides and actually act non-partisan...we can reach logical reform. It's not about being left of right, at the end of the day it's about how we as a nation can provide for all peoples that live within our borders. It's about how can we maintain a high standard of living as ethically as possible. I feel that by allowing amnesty, alternative paths of legalization, and steps like e-verify and going after those that exploit illegal immigrants...we can achieve reform that benefits both immigrants and nationals within the United States.
To be blunt: the hell with the Third World till they start taking personal responsibility for their colossal failures.
Wow, clearly you know a lot about the third world!!! I think that if it were that simple (no outside influences) that this would have been done already. No offense, but this has got to be one of the dumber views that this nation has concerning the third world.
Unfair trade practices (coffee and chocolate are good examples. We see that the vast majority of the profits goes to the owners whereas production and cultivation recieve a grand total of 10% and 5% each...on average). Farmers that cultivate your chocolate and coffee aren't given their fair share. Let's look at pharmaceuticals. A copy right infrigement suit occurred since the South African government wanted to liberalize the AIDS pharmaceutical industry, thus enable generic drugs to enter into the market and drive prices down (VERY capitalist idea). Let's look at oil...though not an American company, we see that Shell has not aided the local state governments in Nigeria in creating more jobs for Nigerians (Port Harcourt is home to a sizeable expatriate community), stopping the ecological destruction of the Niger Delta, and ineffectual at keeping promises to providing some money to local governments to maintain schools and hospitals. These are just a few examples.
Aid. Yes, aid. Let's look at the previous administration who proposed that aid money for AIDS prevention must include abstinence. Thus, contraceptives of any type. This is ridiculous. Oh, one of the reasons for the Argentine crisis a few years back, was due to economic reforms touted by the IMF anf World Bank (which is the primary source of aid from Western nations to developing nations). This isn't the first time that strings attached to aid have brought about significant harm.
I'm not advocating that production be taken over by the state. That is socialism. So I'm talking like a socialist. I feel that there needs to be some regulation to capitalsim. We have seen the horrors of predatory capitalism. As for the crisis I didn't mention the US housing crisis. Also the crisis has a lot to do with European banks that bought assets from American lending corps. This is a global economic downturn, not simply an American one.
Going back to the OP, I simply feel that if we temperate the desires of both sides and actually act non-partisan...we can reach logical reform. It's not about being left of right, at the end of the day it's about how we as a nation can provide for all peoples that live within our borders. It's about how can we maintain a high standard of living as ethically as possible. I feel that by allowing amnesty, alternative paths of legalization, and steps like e-verify and going after those that exploit illegal immigrants...we can achieve reform that benefits both immigrants and nationals within the United States.
As stated to hell with 3rd worlders it not are problem. I don't care what shell did .Aids in africa is unbelieveable problem 70% Aids prevention should include Abstinence as part of prevention.But again these are not our problems NO amnesty for no one
As stated to hell with 3rd worlders it not are problem. I don't care what shell did .Aids in africa is unbelieveable problem 70% Aids prevention should include Abstinence as part of prevention.But again these are not our problems NO amnesty for no one
Wow "70% of Aids (sic) prevention should include Abstinence (sic)" No, it should be about contraceptives, safe sex pracictices, as well as general education of what AIDS is.
I know you don't care since you and many others want to live in this fantasy world that doesn't work with reality. Face it, these are OUR problems as well. Just because you say it's not...doesn't make it so. We are facing increasing competition with China over resources. African nations are more receptive to the Chinese, not to America and Europe. If China actually learns the lessons of America and Europe (which it looks like a mixed bag), then this will be greatly to China's advantage. Currently, Africa is experiencing a boom of Chinese capital and immigrants. This bodes badly for our economy. It's like the mathematical postulate that states that cooperation is essential for success.
Wow "70% of Aids (sic) prevention should include Abstinence (sic)" No, it should be about contraceptives, safe sex pracictices, as well as general education of what AIDS is.
I know you don't care since you and many others want to live in this fantasy world that doesn't work with reality. Face it, these are OUR problems as well. Just because you say it's not...doesn't make it so. We are facing increasing competition with China over resources. African nations are more receptive to the Chinese, not to America and Europe. If China actually learns the lessons of America and Europe (which it looks like a mixed bag), then this will be greatly to China's advantage. Currently, Africa is experiencing a boom of Chinese capital and immigrants. This bodes badly for our economy. It's like the mathematical postulate that states that cooperation is essential for success.
China is not really in a position to make waves: remember that only about 1 Chinese nation in 10 is affluent leaving the remainder of its population as a potentially serious security concern for Beijing. Too; the natural counterweight in that part of the world is India.
China is not really in a position to make waves: remember that only about 1 Chinese nation in 10 is affluent leaving the remainder of its population as a potentially serious security concern for Beijing. Too; the natural counterweight in that part of the world is India.
Well, if China is not in a position "to make waves" how is it doing so then? How is foreign investment from China marking remarkable leaps and bounds? It bills itself as the alternative from the West, citing that it too was comprised of former colonies and protectorates.
My simple point in all that is that we as a nation need to realize that we are in danger of losing our status. That we need do indeed need to concern ourselves with the greater world around us.
Well, if China is not in a position "to make waves" how is it doing so then? How is foreign investment from China marking remarkable leaps and bounds? It bills itself as the alternative from the West, citing that it too was comprised of former colonies and protectorates.
My simple point in all that is that we as a nation need to realize that we are in danger of losing our status. That we need do indeed need to concern ourselves with the greater world around us.
Losing our status as what? As the world's flophouse? As the country that is expected to endlessly hand over huge sums of money to needy countries only to watch it disappear to waste and corruption? As the country who everyone relies on to provide the lion's share of the assistance in any overseas disaster, only to turn around and hear about how much the rest of the world hates us? The country who is forever involved in trying to settle Hatfield and McCoy type feuds in some remote part of the world? The country who maintains a very expensive military so the countries in Europe don't have to? The country that develops ways to improve crop yields and exports this knowledge to Third World countries only to find that 10 years later they are once again in the exact same malnutrition situation because they have failed to reduce their fertility rate?
The Chinese want to be the World's Superpower? Let 'em! Let them have the Title and wear it with pride. Let them be the one all these losers who never quite seem to be able to get their act together go to. I am sick of this crap.
Last edited by andreabeth; 09-27-2009 at 12:40 PM..
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