U.S. Spends $26 Million On Spanish Census Forms (immigrants, campaign, represent)
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No need for insults but it is always the tactic of the liberal left and especially the ethnocentric kind when they can't win an argument.
No insults, just a joke. But then again being irrationally mad is the "tactic of the right" correct? Politically moderate really, if you must know... Ethnocentrist? I'm part Irish, part German, part English. Can trace family back to the start of the Pennsylvania colony. Part of my family has been here A LONG time.
In order for an immigrant to become a citizen (an American) they have to know English so that blows your argument about me not caring about all Americans. We will just have to agree to disagree on pandering to immigrants in their native tongues. It is my belief that no immigrant should be able to come here without a reasonable understanding of English in the first place. How does an immigrant survive and get a job without knowing English? If they are here on sponsorship of relatives then the relatives would surely know English and can teach them themselves. The burden should be on the immigrant not us.
No, you don't have to know English. My mother didn't know English perfectly when she became a citizen. There are different stages of being an English learner you know? My ex also was learning English prior to entering into UCLA. Well, I guess we can agree to disagree that foresight and planning is actually a better plan. Planning for the future is better than subscribing to antiquated ideas and false superiority.
You're out of your mind if you think any country respects us for leaving our borders wide open and unprotected. We must be the laughing stock of the world with their knowledge that we have allowed 20-30 million illegals invade our country. I am sure would be terrorists are licking their chops and think the "infidels" are pretty stupid and in this case I would have to agree with them. I don't call securing our borders as being "paranoid". What leftist, open borders drivel.
You must be "nuts" (get it, your name) when you think that paranoia is great policy. Linking illegal immigration and terrorism is tenious at best. Terrorists want to fly under the radar. Assimilate, then later cause destruction. This is how it happened the first time. By most accounts the people that flew the planes were "normal". They were also here legally.
No they weren't. Four of them were had expired visas.
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Four of the hijackers involved in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks had overstayed their visas, and that issue has vexed policymakers and informed the nation's immigration debate for years.
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So let's not invoke 9/11 in illegal immigration when ALL terrorist attacks in the nation were done by legal immigrants. So should we just not let anyone in? Of course not...that is paranoia. We need to think about how to retain our economic advantage in the world. The way we do this is by realizing helping the lowest demographic in the nation achieve parity.
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Dallas bomb plot suspect stayed on expired visa
06:26 AM CDT on Wednesday, September 30, 2009
By TODD J. GILLMAN / The Dallas Morning News tgillman@dallasnews.com
WASHINGTON – Like millions of others classified by the government as illegal immigrants, the Jordanian teen accused of plotting to blow up a Dallas office tower last week arrived in the United States legally and stayed long after his visa expired.
Dallas bomb plot suspect stayed on expired visa | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/093009dnmetsmadivisa.3ed7e02.html - broken link)
No they weren't. Four of them were had expired visas.
Dallas bomb plot suspect stayed on expired visa | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/093009dnmetsmadivisa.3ed7e02.html - broken link)
They entered here legally. Not illegally. If they had visas, that implies legally. 3 out of 19 were still current. Thus the VAST majority of hijackers were then CURRENT. However, ALL came here LEGALLY. This is according to CIS who cited an INS report concerning the terrorists involved in 9/11).
Making English our national language would save the USA a lot of money. It should have been done years ago when a North Carolina senator introduced a bill to do so.
They entered here legally. Not illegally. If they had visas, that implies legally. 3 out of 19 were still current. Thus the VAST majority of hijackers were then CURRENT. However, ALL came here LEGALLY. This is according to CIS who cited an INS report concerning the terrorists involved in 9/11).
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They were also here legally.
No, if their visas had expired then they were not here legally. And I don't want a cookie so don't even go there.
No, if their visas had expired then they were not here legally. And I don't want a cookie so don't even go there.
Oh, touchy. How about a muffin? You failed to mention that they ENTERED here legally (which is all they needed). Obtaining a visa via legal means. Plus the majority were current. You forgot that part too. Too bad.
Oh, touchy. How about a muffin? You failed to mention that they ENTERED here legally (which is all they needed). Obtaining a visa via legal means. Plus the majority were current. You forgot that part too. Too bad.
If they are in the US on an expired visa, they are in the US illegally. It does not matter if they came here legally.
I am not wasting any more time on this. If, for what ever reason, I feel the need to engage in endless, pointless arguments all I need to do is pick up the phone and call my mother-in-law.
If they are in the US on an expired visa, they are in the US illegally. It does not matter if they came here legally.
I am not wasting any more time on this. If, for what ever reason, I feel the need to engage in endless, pointless arguments all I need to do is pick up the phone and call my mother-in-law.
Again, you fail to mention the VAST majority that were current. Look, I'm all too amused by this. I think that 16 out of 19 would still be able to coordinate an attack.
It's kind of as if you only see this one side of a cube and call it two dimensional, yet you don't see the rest of the cube. A serious lack of scope and comprehension IMO.
No need for insults but it is always the tactic of the liberal left and especially the ethnocentric kind when they can't win an argument.
No insults, just a joke. But then again being irrationally mad is the "tactic of the right" correct? Politically moderate really, if you must know... Ethnocentrist? I'm part Irish, part German, part English. Can trace family back to the start of the Pennsylvania colony. Part of my family has been here A LONG time.
In order for an immigrant to become a citizen (an American) they have to know English so that blows your argument about me not caring about all Americans. We will just have to agree to disagree on pandering to immigrants in their native tongues. It is my belief that no immigrant should be able to come here without a reasonable understanding of English in the first place. How does an immigrant survive and get a job without knowing English? If they are here on sponsorship of relatives then the relatives would surely know English and can teach them themselves. The burden should be on the immigrant not us.
No, you don't have to know English. My mother didn't know English perfectly when she became a citizen. There are different stages of being an English learner you know? My ex also was learning English prior to entering into UCLA. Well, I guess we can agree to disagree that foresight and planning is actually a better plan. Planning for the future is better than subscribing to antiquated ideas and false superiority.
You're out of your mind if you think any country respects us for leaving our borders wide open and unprotected. We must be the laughing stock of the world with their knowledge that we have allowed 20-30 million illegals invade our country. I am sure would be terrorists are licking their chops and think the "infidels" are pretty stupid and in this case I would have to agree with them. I don't call securing our borders as being "paranoid". What leftist, open borders drivel.
You must be "nuts" (get it, your name) when you think that paranoia is great policy. Linking illegal immigration and terrorism is tenious at best. Terrorists want to fly under the radar. Assimilate, then later cause destruction. This is how it happened the first time. By most accounts the people that flew the planes were "normal". They were also here legally. So let's not invoke 9/11 in illegal immigration when ALL terrorist attacks in the nation were done by legal immigrants. So should we just not let anyone in? Of course not...that is paranoia. We need to think about how to retain our economic advantage in the world. The way we do this is by realizing helping the lowest demographic in the nation achieve parity.
Don't try to cover your tracks by claiming now that your insults were a joke. You know the rules in here, don't you? There is nothing irrational about being opposed to illegal immigration and all of the ills it is causing our country. I wasn't implying that you are Latino and therefore an ethnocentric as I had already read that you weren't. My point was that the ethnocentric Latinos are the worse for hurling insults at law abiding Americans for their opposition to illegal immigration however the far left like yourself have been known to do that also when you are proved dead wrong and can't get us to go along with your agenda.
Yes, for the most part an immigrant does have to know passible English to become a citizen. I didn't say they had to be perfect at English. The only exception are those who are elderly immigrants and they can get help from their families translating documents that are in English. You have heard of English immersion, haven't you? It has been proven that is the way that immigrants learn English more quickly.
I don't get you equating securing our borders as being paranoid. We would still have legal ports of entry. Did you not read my post where the FBI Director Robert Mueller said that people from known terrorist countries have slipped through our southern border right along with those Mexicans and other illegal aliens looking for work and disappeared into our country? Just because the 9/11 terrorists entered legally on a visa does not mean the next batch will do exactly the same thing. These terrorists are creative and will try new and untried avenues to destroy us. I never said we shouldn't let anyone into our country either. We just need to know who is entering our country and why. Track down visa overstayers, secure our borders and remove any and all incentives for any illegal entry to occur by anyone for any reason.
We did just fine before the invasion of illegal aliens, economically. As I said if it can be proven we need foreign "legal" labor for some jobs that can't be filled by Americans for a fair wage then so be it. I feel however that a smaller economy to fit a smaller population is much more healthier for our county in the long run when you consider all the demands that a larger population puts on our country in so many ways. Want to live in this country with triple the population we have now? I don't!
Other countries need to take care of their own citizens. I am all for helping other countries to become economically sound and creating jobs for their own citizens rather than dumping them on us but we need their cooperation on this and we can only help up to the point where we don't hurt ourselves financially.
Whatever it takes for us to return to a nation of laws is worth the money. All we will have to do is to show our seriousness about demanding respect for the soverignty of our country for a change and it will come to a halt. How easily you forget that securing our borders is to deter terrorists from entering that way also.
So let's ruin the nation more? Whatever it takes...Let's spend tax dollars on projects that won't accomplish a dam thing. You have a twisted view of how respect is earned from nations. How easily you forget that terrorists came here LEGALLY. The whole terrorist entering via Mexico or Canada is a myth. What? So we just close the borders? Terrorism is not a valid point and is REALLY off topic...
Most Hispanic-Americans are bi-lingual so there is no need for a census in Spanish for them. The objection is because it is obvious that the Spanish forms are for illegal alien Spanish speakers. I don't think the census should be in any other language than English. Legal immigrants who lack English proficiency can get a relative or friend to interpret it to them.
Being bilingual myself, when I was younger and learning English, I needed things spoken in French. Also sometimes you can't get an interpreter RIGHT on the spot. And it's not obvious that they are for illegal immigrants. So why does California print forms in Mandarin? There is such a small ILLEGAL Chinese population here that is would be ridiculous only for that demographic. However, there is a LARGE Chinese population that are English learners. Clearly you have a very singular, small view of things...
What you just posted is not the responsibility of the US or local/state governments.
It is high time to mandate that English be the official language of the USA--------China and Mexico be damned.
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