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Old 12-08-2009, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I'm for shutting down Ilegal Immigration and lessening the amount of legal immigrants. We need more Doctors and Engineers at the same time we can do with far fewer people that come just to live off of our dime.


It appears you are ok with a population we won't be able to feed, cloth or house? If you would like I can use "Undocumented Criminal Trespasser?" UCT.
LOL! That’s cute. UCT has a nice ring.

 
Old 12-08-2009, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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No I am not! I believe in legal immigration in controlled and reasonable numbers that benefits and doesn't harm our country. Now how does that make me anti-immigrant?
Ok, I'll buy that, but how do you determine this, do you just set a certain amount limit per year? Do you determine the figure to go along with labor demand? If the number of applicants highly exceeds the number of people allowed how would you deal with that and how can you ensure that if this occurs it won't lead to continued illegal immigration?

As long as you realize that severely controlling immigration goes against free market capitalism economy. You start screwing with supply and demand. Our economy needs a healthy supply of labor in order to grow.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Ok, I'll buy that, but how do you determine this, do you just set a certain amount limit per year? Do you determine the figure to go along with labor demand? If the number of applicants highly exceeds the number of people allowed how would you deal with that and how can you ensure that if this occurs it won't lead to continued illegal immigration?

As long as you realize that severely controlling immigration goes against free market capitalism economy. You start screwing with supply and demand. Our economy needs a healthy supply of labor in order to grow.
We already have a 'healthy supply of labor' now.

Funny how those nations with generous social welfare programs are the same ones with stringent immigration rules---------including no birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is a citizen.

I am OK with guest worker programs similar to what Germany has/had 30-50 years ago

Besides: unbridled capitalism is evil unto itself----------there is a need for safeguards to moderate things.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 01:10 PM
 
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Ok, I'll buy that, but how do you determine this, do you just set a certain amount limit per year? Do you determine the figure to go along with labor demand? If the number of applicants highly exceeds the number of people allowed how would you deal with that and how can you ensure that if this occurs it won't lead to continued illegal immigration?

As long as you realize that severely controlling immigration goes against free market capitalism economy. You start screwing with supply and demand. Our economy needs a healthy supply of labor in order to grow.
Here are my positions on all of the above. Our government already knows how many immigrants we can aborb based on all of the concerns that I mentioned. They are based on population growth, "real" job availability, assimilation, fairness to all ethnic groups, carrying capacity which is based on our available natural resources and social infrastructures. They know that an overbloated economy which results in too much population growth and its ensuing negatives should not be the goal of our country. What has happened is that they have bowed instead to corporate interests and greed and allowed illegal immigration to continue instead and to hell with what is best for this country down the road.

We already know how to stop illegal immigration in its tracks. E-verify, denying benefits to illegals and birthright citizenship and real border security are among those things that would do the trick. However, they are caving in to corporate greed and these special interest groups.

We already have a healthy supply of labor in our own citizens along with a reasonable number of legal immigrants that not only fits supply and demand but more importantly puts population growth first.

Since our population growth has increased over the decades we have had more immigrant applicants than we can absorb. That isn't anything new nor will that likely change. The solution is to only absorb how many we need that will not harm our country in the long run and take all the necessary steps to deter them from coming illegally of which we haven't had the will to do yet because of corporate greed and politicians that are in their back pockets. This needs to be turned around and the bums in office who are guilty of destroying our country booted out.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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We already have a 'healthy supply of labor' now.
Agreed, but that would change if we were able to better control immigration. Once the economy is growing again and if we were able to strictly control immigration we'd suddenly be looking at labor shortages, and then the limited numbers of immigrants we'd be letting in may not be sufficient to fill our need for labor capital.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 01:25 PM
 
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Agreed, but that would change if we were able to better control immigration. Once the economy is growing again and if we were able to strictly control immigration we'd suddenly be looking at labor shortages, and then the limited numbers of immigrants we'd be letting in may not be sufficient to fill our need for labor capital.
Should that situation develop, the quotas for LEGAL immigration would be suitably adjusted.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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Agreed, but that would change if we were able to better control immigration. Once the economy is growing again and if we were able to strictly control immigration we'd suddenly be looking at labor shortages, and then the limited numbers of immigrants we'd be letting in may not be sufficient to fill our need for labor capital.
There are no real labor shortages taking into account our citizen labor force and the legal foreign laborer quotas we have now. Future economical growth needs to be restricted to match a reasonable population growth.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Here are my positions on all of the above. Our government already knows how many immigrants we can aborb based on all of the concerns that I mentioned. They are based on population growth, "real" job availability, assimilation, fairness to all ethnic groups, carrying capacity which is based on our available natural resources and social infrastructures. They know that an overbloated economy which results in too much population growth and its ensuing negatives should not be the goal of our country. What has happened is that they have bowed instead to corporate interests and greed and allowed illegal immigration to continue instead and to hell with what is best for this country down the road.

We already know how to stop illegal immigration in its tracks. E-verify, denying benefits to illegals and birthright citizenship and real border security are among those things that would do the trick. However, they are caving in to corporate greed and these special interest groups.

We already have a healthy supply of labor in our own citizens along with a reasonable number of legal immigrants that not only fits supply and demand but more importantly puts population growth first.

Since our population growth has increased over the decades we have had more immigrant applicants than we can absorb. That isn't anything new nor will that likely change. The solution is to only absorb how many we need that will not harm our country in the long run and take all the necessary steps to deter them from coming illegally of which we haven't had the will to do yet because of corporate greed and politicians that are in their back pockets. This needs to be turned around and the bums in office who are guilty of destroying our country booted out.
Very well stated!
 
Old 12-08-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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Here are my positions on all of the above. Our government already knows how many immigrants we can aborb based on all of the concerns that I mentioned. They are based on population growth, "real" job availability, assimilation, fairness to all ethnic groups, carrying capacity which is based on our available natural resources and social infrastructures. They know that an overbloated economy which results in too much population growth and its ensuing negatives should not be the goal of our country. What has happened is that they have bowed instead to corporate interests and greed and allowed illegal immigration to continue instead and to hell with what is best for this country down the road.

We already know how to stop illegal immigration in its tracks. E-verify, denying benefits to illegals and birthright citizenship and real border security are among those things that would do the trick. However, they are caving in to corporate greed and these special interest groups.

We already have a healthy supply of labor in our own citizens along with a reasonable number of legal immigrants that not only fits supply and demand but more importantly puts population growth first.

Since our population growth has increased over the decades we have had more immigrant applicants than we can absorb. That isn't anything new nor will that likely change. The solution is to only absorb how many we need that will not harm our country in the long run and take all the necessary steps to deter them from coming illegally of which we haven't had the will to do yet because of corporate greed and politicians that are in their back pockets. This needs to be turned around and the bums in office who are guilty of destroying our country booted out.
exactly.

the illegal immigrants are only doing what they're allowed to do by our gov't. all blame & anger should be directed towards the gov't officials who have allowed illegal immigration to happen for years & years & years.

main street = profit
illegal immigrants = profit

there's no reason to think you are BETTER than those immigrants because you're "americans" & they're not. we're all getting screwed by the same special interest groups & yall are too busy attacking the illegal immigrants than to attack the source of the problem...THE GOV'T.
 
Old 12-08-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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exactly.

the illegal immigrants are only doing what they're allowed to do by our gov't. all blame & anger should be directed towards the gov't officials who have allowed illegal immigration to happen for years & years & years.

main street = profit
illegal immigrants = profit

there's no reason to think you are BETTER than those immigrants because you're "americans" & they're not. we're all getting screwed by the same special interest groups & yall are too busy attacking the illegal immigrants than to attack the source of the problem...THE GOV'T.
How would you suggest we attack the government?
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