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Old 01-10-2010, 03:58 AM
 
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But, as we all know, those Europeans weren't illegal alien lawbreakers. I am welcoming to foreigners who come to the United States as long as they come here legally.
No they were not illegal because back then there were no immigration laws. Immigrants showed up and were given a space to make their new home. No registration needed, no pre requisites. There were however many treaties.

Not illegal is correct. They were however, mass murderers and colonizers. It was the white man's dream... that was true of all the Americas.

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Old 01-10-2010, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Only one missing was Geraldo Rivera...
Seems that the "fair and balanced" Faux News would have had at least one Anti- Amnesty advocate on board....Of course,that discussion would have come across like two wolves and a lamb deciding on what to have for dinner....
I am surprised either one would allow the other to get a point across.
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:52 AM
 
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It never started with Lou Dobbs. It started with a news reporter by the name of Jorge Ramos who wanted to fix the border problem but at the same time legalize those that were already in the country.

Lou Dobbs interviewed Jorge Ramos and allowed him to introduce his books on immigration to America.

Lou Dobbs took it further by calling it "an invasion" of "illegal aliens", an "invasion" of "diseases", etc.

Interesting how none of these words are part of his ample toxic vocabulary, nowadays.

There is nothing wrong with a tribal mentality, btw. Tribes often have many good things we could learn from. For example, they have rules of conduct. One that comes to mind is treating foreigners like family. That is what Native Americans did when Europeans arrived. They were very coordial and friendly to the newcomers.
When you have millions coming here without health checks from squalid conditions it is likely that communicable deseases will be spread from some of them. That is one of the reasons we have legal channels to come here so that health checks will be done.

There is something wrong with a tribal mentality when one puts ones own tribe above the welfare of everyone else. We can't treat foreigners like family when they have no respect for our laws. The Native Americans may have been welcoming at first but as time went by and the European settler's numbers grew they felt threatened and killed many of them. There was a lot of blood on both of their hands. The Native Americans weren't the all innocents in history. They warred with each other also.
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Old 01-10-2010, 06:56 AM
 
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No they were not illegal because back then there were no immigration laws. Immigrants showed up and were given a space to make their new home. No registration needed, no pre requisites. There were however many treaties.

Not illegal is correct. They were however, mass murderers and colonizers. It was the white man's dream... that was true of all the Americas.

http://www.youtube.com/Goyathalay
Even if this is partially true what has this to do with today? We aren't responsible for what our ancestors did or didn't do. My ancestors were Polish and Irish and didn't even come here till the early 1900's. Laws were different back then because times were different. Do you think that policies should remain the same regardless of changing circumstances?
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Old 01-10-2010, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Lou Dobbs is hilarious! I wonder what makes him think that by switching sides and saying that nothing has changed...he can fool us and gain our support?

Funny... bleeding heart! I think he is rethinking how much money he will be bleeding with the cost of deportation of illegal immigrants!
The cost of deportation? C’mon, Lou isn’t concerned about that. He is planning to run for political office, and is behaving accordingly. The costs associated with amnesty would far outweigh whatever it would cost to deport illegals. However, as we all know, we won’t need to deport if our laws are enforced.
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Old 01-10-2010, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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It never started with Lou Dobbs. It started with a news reporter by the name of Jorge Ramos who wanted to fix the border problem but at the same time legalize those that were already in the country.

Lou Dobbs interviewed Jorge Ramos and allowed him to introduce his books on immigration to America.

Lou Dobbs took it further by calling it "an invasion" of "illegal aliens", an "invasion" of "diseases", etc.

Interesting how none of these words are part of his ample toxic vocabulary, nowadays.

There is nothing wrong with a tribal mentality, btw. Tribes often have many good things we could learn from. For example, they have rules of conduct. One that comes to mind is treating foreigners like family. That is what Native Americans did when Europeans arrived. They were very coordial and friendly to the newcomers.
In reference to illegals, would these “rules of conduct” include ID theft, fraud, and tax evasion?
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Old 01-10-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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It never started with Lou Dobbs. It started with a news reporter by the name of Jorge Ramos who wanted to fix the border problem but at the same time legalize those that were already in the country.

Lou Dobbs interviewed Jorge Ramos and allowed him to introduce his books on immigration to America.

Lou Dobbs took it further by calling it "an invasion" of "illegal aliens", an "invasion" of "diseases", etc.

Interesting how none of these words are part of his ample toxic vocabulary, nowadays.

There is nothing wrong with a tribal mentality, btw. Tribes often have many good things we could learn from. For example, they have rules of conduct. One that comes to mind is treating foreigners like family. That is what Native Americans did when Europeans arrived. They were very coordial and friendly to the newcomers.
Ah, a tribally ethnocentric mentality is what it is. Putting one's ethnicity above everything else is just out for what one can get for themselves, everyone else including country be damned. That's why it is so dangerous and damaging to our American culture to have over 10 percent of the entire Mexican population in the US illegally here with their tribally ethnocentric mentality.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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Ah, a tribally ethnocentric mentality is what it is. Putting one's ethnicity above everything else is just out for what one can get for themselves, everyone else including country be damned. That's why it is so dangerous and damaging to our American culture to have over 10 percent of the entire Mexican population in the US illegally here with their tribally ethnocentric mentality.
Actually if you include the legal kind that are here also that percentage of ethnocentrics rises.
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Old 01-10-2010, 11:53 PM
 
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The anticriminal crowd is getting smaller by the second. What's next? Glenn Beck is named the president of NCLR?
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Old 01-11-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The anticriminal crowd is getting smaller by the second. What's next? Glenn Beck is named the president of NCLR?
The anti-criminal crowd? I would certainly hope that most Americans oppose crime. The pandering by Lou Dobbs should not be construed as being representative of the sentiment of most Americans. Our numbers are not dwindling; we are growing with each passing day. The arrogance of most illegals and their supporters, coupled with the vilification of all who dare oppose their illegal presence, has served to garner much support for the “anti” side of this issue. Not to mention, the obvious fleecing of this country by illegals. Yes, many eyes are opening to this scourge.

If Congress attempts to pass another amnesty, you will clearly realize the level of opposition. At least you acknowledge illegal aliens as being criminals, unlike most IA sympathizers who try to justify their behavior.
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