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Old 03-14-2010, 07:23 PM
 
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if he is set free on probation, then you force everyone who helps him, feeds him, harbors him to break the law.

where is the logic in that...aidding and abedding. how is the illegal aliens to survive if released into the community, if not without help?
Said illegal alien needs to stay incarcerated and put to work on a chain gang.
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Old 03-14-2010, 07:58 PM
 
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Said illegal alien needs to stay incarcerated and put to work on a chain gang.
I would most certainly support forced labor as a punishment for the illegals who commit DWIs, robbery, assault, or other felonies (unrelated to actually crossing the border)
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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I would most certainly support forced labor as a punishment for the illegals who commit DWIs, robbery, assault, or other felonies (unrelated to actually crossing the border)
And at least incarceration for the "crossing the border" type then deport ASAP.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I would most certainly support forced labor as a punishment for the illegals who commit DWIs, robbery, assault, or other felonies (unrelated to actually crossing the border)
What about tax evasion, ID theft, and fraud?
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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Venezuela's an interesting country because its fortunes lay almost entirely in oil, and the lack of diversification means that the country's up and down cycles rely on one product.

I wonder if the best way to solve the Mexican drug problem is for the US Federal Government to:
* Encourage synthetic or homegrown marijuana so that Mexican cartels can't sell their product profitably in the US
* In the case of imported heroin or cocaine, which can easily damage entire societies, charge people who deal heroin or cocaine with treason and/or murder - because IMO it is not feasible to relax a "prohibition" on these drugs, take the opposite approach in those cases

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Let Hugo Chavez try his hand at controlling Mexico. That tin horn dictator is having problems at home (Venezuela) and is likely to be overthrown or killed soon.

Latin America needs to grow up. With the possible exceptions of Chile or Costa Rica..........that whole region is a basketcase.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Venezuela's an interesting country because its fortunes lay almost entirely in oil, and the lack of diversification means that the country's up and down cycles rely on one product.

I wonder if the best way to solve the Mexican drug problem is for the US Federal Government to:
* Encourage synthetic or homegrown marijuana so that Mexican cartels can't sell their product profitably in the US
* In the case of imported heroin or cocaine, which can easily damage entire societies, charge people who deal heroin or cocaine with treason and/or murder - because IMO it is not feasible to relax a "prohibition" on these drugs, take the opposite approach in those cases
I am of that same opinion.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Venezuela's an interesting country because its fortunes lay almost entirely in oil, and the lack of diversification means that the country's up and down cycles rely on one product.

I wonder if the best way to solve the Mexican drug problem is for the US Federal Government to:
* Encourage synthetic or homegrown marijuana so that Mexican cartels can't sell their product profitably in the US
* In the case of imported heroin or cocaine, which can easily damage entire societies, charge people who deal heroin or cocaine with treason and/or murder - because IMO it is not feasible to relax a "prohibition" on these drugs, take the opposite approach in those cases
Unfortunately, there are too many influential folks in this country who profit from the drug trade. It would never work.
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Old 03-14-2010, 10:01 PM
 
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What about tax evasion, ID theft, and fraud?
Hmm, I suppose if the authorities know that the illegals themselves willingly committed any of the three, it would be a reason to increase prison sentences.

In addition if the employer committed tax evasion or fraud, then the employer get sentenced. There may be circumstances where the employer commits tax evasion and fraud, but the illegals themselves are paid under the table and themselves do not commit fraud.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Pa
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if he is set free on probation, then you force everyone who helps him, feeds him, harbors him to break the law.

where is the logic in that...aidding and abedding. how is the illegal aliens to survive if released into the community, if not without help?
The illegal somehow found his way here, the illegal can find his way out of here. How a criminal is supposed to survive is of little consequence to me. That is the road they made the choice to travel.
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Old 03-15-2010, 07:36 AM
 
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Hmm, I suppose if the authorities know that the illegals themselves willingly committed any of the three, it would be a reason to increase prison sentences.

In addition if the employer committed tax evasion or fraud, then the employer get sentenced. There may be circumstances where the employer commits tax evasion and fraud, but the illegals themselves are paid under the table and themselves do not commit fraud.
What? It is common knowledge that they do. Many cases of these crimes committed by illegal aliens have been posted in here. Not all illegals are paid under the table either. If they are that is still fraud aka tax evasion on both the part of the employer and the illegal employee.
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