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The law allows police to ask for papers about their immigration status if they suspect that they’re here illegally, but only if they have been detained for something else or if they have “probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States.”
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Legal immigrants are already required by FEDERAL LAW to carry their papers at all times?
The new law, doesn't require you to commit a crime, before checking your status.
They can therefore, stop anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant, and ask them to prove their citizenship.
If you didn't know, we have a large, domestically born Hispanic population, that doesn't have to carry papers wherever they go.
The law gives law enforcement the authority to stop and question anybody at anytime. The Feds will sue and the law will be off the books within a year.
I am a hispanic (on my Dad's side of the family) and I 100% support this bill. This is something that is FAR overdue, it's about time we did a crackdown to root out illegals and get them out of here. I don't understand why some people are opposed to this. If you're here legally, then you have nothing to worry, but if you're not, you deserved to get arrested and thrown in jail. The next step is to make English the official language and make it a requirement that you know how to speak English to work. The legal people who are "terrified" for their life need to get over themselves, they have nothing to worry about. I honestly don't feel sorry or sympathetic for the illegals AT ALL, they don't deserve to be here.
1. I simply don't believe that police, in practice, are going to use anything but ethnic profiling in order to satisfy the watered down "reasonable suspicion" standard for detention.
2. The abandonment of the "probable cause" standard in favor of the "reasonable suspicion" standard is not something I can support on general principle.
I have a good friend that is a LT. on the Phoenix police force. He says that no stops will be made unless laws are broken, speeding, running red light, DUI etc.
Upon a violation stop, you will be asked for drivers license, and then it goes where it leads.
The force absolutely will not allow profiling, and will not stop someone that looks hispanic just to stop them.
I believe him, he is a very strict kind of guy and max integrity.
The new law, doesn't require you to commit a crime, before checking your status.
They can therefore, stop anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant, and ask them to prove their citizenship.
If you didn't know, we have a large, domestically born Hispanic population, that doesn't have to carry papers wherever they go.
And providing proof of citizenship proves undue hardship how?
How about the undue hardship they are placing on our educational and health care systems? Guess that doesn't matter.
You act like people are going to be subjected to public strip searches, floggings, and outright humiliation.
No harm, no foul in asking a person to show proof that they are actually allowed to legally be in this country and receiving the services afforded to its citizens.
I have a good friend that is a LT. on the Phoenix police force. He says that no stops will be made unless laws are broken, speeding, running red light, DUI etc.
Upon a violation stop, you will be asked for drivers license, and then it goes where it leads.
The force absolutely will not allow profiling, and will not stop someone that looks hispanic just to stop them.
I believe him, he is a very strict kind of guy and max integrity.
I'm sure most of the police in L.A. said they wouldn't beat an unarmed African American with night sticks, until he was bloody, and unconscious.
The problem with the law, is that it allows to much power, without restriction.
Police can, legally now, pull you over if they only suspect you are illegal.
Thats not good.
If the law said that they could run a check on your status, during a traffic stop, or any other infraction, then I wouldn't say a word.
The fact that they can, is what everyone is pissed about. Doesn't mean they are going to, but they can. In my experience, if you give someone the rope, they'll usually hang themselves with it.
And providing proof of citizenship proves undue hardship how?
How about the undue hardship they are placing on our educational and health care systems? Guess that doesn't matter.
You act like people are going to be subjected to public strip searches, floggings, and outright humiliation.
No harm, no foul in asking a person to show proof that they are actually allowed to legally be in this country and receiving the services afforded to its citizens.
Then require id, when applying for schools, or healthcare.
I have a good friend that is a LT. on the Phoenix police force. He says that no stops will be made unless laws are broken, speeding, running red light, DUI etc.
Upon a violation stop, you will be asked for drivers license, and then it goes where it leads.
The force absolutely will not allow profiling, and will not stop someone that looks hispanic just to stop them.
I believe him, he is a very strict kind of guy and max integrity.
That is what I understood but if the law doesn't actually say that, and allows for a broader interpretation by rogue cops on a power trip, it ought to be amended. Nothing wrong with amending a law to make it work better.
Regardless of what law is or isn't on the books somewhere, people will still get away with things or be caught doing something wrong. Whether it's illegal immigrants, law enforcement officers, or average citizens. No law , no matter what it says, can prevent bad things from happening.
I'm sure most of the police in L.A. said they wouldn't beat an unarmed African American with night sticks, until he was bloody, and unconscious.
The problem with the law, is that it allows to much power, without restriction.
Police can, legally now, pull you over if they only suspect you are illegal.
Thats not good.
If the law said that they could run a check on your status, during a traffic stop, or any other infraction, then I wouldn't say a word.
The fact that they can, is what everyone is pissed about. Doesn't mean they are going to, but they can. In my experience, if you give someone the rope, they'll usually hang themselves with it.
I understand your argument. Is all I am saying the officer I know would never abuse the power. He has been on the Phoenix PD 17 years with most of that time in the streets downtown.
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