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If the same rhetoric is being used again and again to describe different groups than it should raise some flags.
Just like the violent actions of the rioters back in 1968 in DC (or in 1965 or 1992 in L.A.) were not justified under any circumstances and were violent criminal acts. But that still doesn't justify demonizing an entire group for the actions of certain members of that group.
Well, the radical left marxist rhetoric has raised some flags and awakened America as to what these leftist amnesty democrats were actually talking about when they said that they wanted to transform America....to the far left.
67% of a group is way more than just certain members of any group. I'm afraid that demonizing an entire group is what will happen when 67% of that group is either illegal or support the illegality of the other illegals of that group.
New Mexico has joined the Union and many other states in discouraging illegal aliens, but I can't seem to produce the video of the positive reaction from it's residents, it's on Google. So I think the joke is on you. (OP) And the beat goes on....
There shouldn't be any additional cost for implementing SB1070. LE has someone pulled over for speeding and they ask for ID to prove that they are in the country legally. If they can't prove that they're here legally then they can be arrested. Getting rid of thousands of illegals means less strain on crowded schools and less strain of welfare services which is saving taxpayers money.
But at what cost? Re-allocating resources in that manner reduces available manpower for our War on Crime that does not involve jaywalking across a State line.
A market friendly work visa can solve our illegal problem via Capitalism instead of Socialism. In my opinion, those of the opposing view claiming Socialism is bad, are not sincere or credible to their Cause.
But at what cost? Re-allocating resources in that manner reduces available manpower for our War on Crime that does not involve jaywalking across a State line.
A market friendly work visa can solve our illegal problem via Capitalism instead of Socialism. In my opinion, those of the opposing view claiming Socialism is bad, are not sincere or credible to their Cause.
Again, LE pulls over vehicle for a traffic violation. LE asks for ID. No ID. No proof of citizenship? LE checks database. Perp is an illegal alien. Perp is arrested and turned over to ICE. Is the arresting and turning over to ICE the additional cost above and beyond normal traffic stop costs you are talking about? Not aware huh that uninvited and unwanted breakins into our sovereign country is a deportable offense? We need to solve our illegal alien infestation problem without the use of your market friendly work visas because of the 9.9% national unemployment of actual American citizens. Work visas greatly exacerbate the problem of illegal immigration. Socialism is the democratic party's plan for creating dependence upon government and, of course, creating dependent democratic voters.
Again, LE pulls over vehicle for a traffic violation. LE asks for ID. No ID. No proof of citizenship? LE checks database. Perp is an illegal alien. Perp is arrested and turned over to ICE. Is the arresting and turning over to ICE the additional cost above and beyond normal traffic stop costs you are talking about? Not aware huh that uninvited and unwanted breakins into our sovereign country is a deportable offense? We need to solve our illegal alien infestation problem without the use of your market friendly work visas because of the 9.9% national unemployment of actual American citizens. Work visas greatly exacerbate the problem of illegal immigration. Socialism is the democratic party's plan for creating dependence upon government and, of course, creating dependent democratic voters.
Actually, that procedure takes time and reduces the amount of available manpower for more violent forms of criminal activity.
Unemployment would not be an issue in the US if our elected representatives to government and any officer of public trust under the United States or of the several States, would simply comply with our Ninth Amendment, a federal doctrine, and state at-will employment laws.
Foreign labor could subsidize poverty elimination for native US labor. Native US labor would be able to reallocate their resources in a manner that could render them more competitive by being able to go to school, learn a new vocation, or pursue simple Happiness in a manner which secures the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
What objection can there be to bearing true witness to our own Constitution and supreme Law of the Land? If we can't do that, on what ethical or moral basis do we deny or disparage less fortunate illegals in their illegality?
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As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.
- George Washington, 1st US President
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Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
- Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US President
corporate america does want illegals and DC dances the corporate tune that is why they will go after AZ with everything they got even though mccain and john cavanagh true heroes lead them, they must be stopped least the rest of the states follow and defy corporate america and DC, the lacky.
AZ is no more a joke than a woman attempted to defend herself from an assault.
When I said it was a joke, I meant that it was a ruse by the government, a fake attempt, all for show. Plenty of average Americans want something done about illegal immigrants, the problem is that average Americans don't call the shots. The Government, and Arizona Government is no different, is in bed with the corporations, money talks bs walks. When have corporations not got what they wanted?? Contrary to Mick Jagger, they do always get what they want. As long as corporate american wants illegals, illegals will remain, it's that simply, anyone that doesn't realize that is naive. Look at all the pollution in the gulf by BP, do you think they care about the residents in that area, they are trying to salvage the oil that is being lost, could care less about the spill or it's impact.
When I said it was a joke, I meant that it was a ruse by the government, a fake attempt, all for show. Plenty of average Americans want something done about illegal immigrants, the problem is that average Americans don't call the shots. The Government, and Arizona Government is no different, is in bed with the corporations, money talks bs walks. When have corporations not got what they wanted?? Contrary to Mick Jagger, they do always get what they want. As long as corporate american wants illegals, illegals will remain, it's that simply, anyone that doesn't realize that is naive. Look at all the pollution in the gulf by BP, do you think they care about the residents in that area, they are trying to salvage the oil that is being lost, could care less about the spill or it's impact.
At the risk of busting your bubble, coporate america is going to take a back seat in further immigration reform.
The adverage citizens in this country are fed up with the cost of coddeling to the illegal population.
Business are no longer going to be able to pull the strings on the political powers to be.
iT IS GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE SPEAKING FROM NOW ON.
The speaking is going to be through the vote, and vigilante actions by citizens if politicians won't deal with the issue of immigration.
As for boycotts, businesses who hire illegals will be the target of a disgrundled public..
The days of the huge business lobbiest will fade into oblivion.
Politicians are going to have to pay attention to what the citizens have to say.
This immigration issue is, and will be for the forseeable fuuture, the hot button topic in state houses across the nation.
Business won't enter the equasion as a viablle tool to enhance illegal entry into this country.
In the very near future,the only part business will play is by paying the huge fines impossed on them for hireing these illegals.
So your coment about business calling the shots is a moot one at best.
Bob.
Originally Posted by Huckleberry3911948 View Post
corporate america does want illegals and DC dances the corporate tune that is why they will go after AZ with everything they got even though mccain and john cavanagh true heroes lead them, they must be stopped least the rest of the states follow and defy corporate america and DC, the lacky.
AZ is no more a joke than a woman attempted to defend herself from an assault.
Your analogy doesn't hold. The several States of the Union are not Constitutionally bound to care if someone is from out of State or out of state.
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The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
Since the several States of our Union are not denied or disparaged in their inspection laws, they could be charging up to ten dollars per person from foreign labor with a market friendly work visa.
Why are those of the opposing subscribing to Socialism or Communism, without sufficient Cause, while claiming they are for markets and Capitalism?
At the risk of busting your bubble, coporate america is going to take a back seat in further immigration reform.
Corporate America will take a behind the scenes approach. They are the puppet masters. They'll have a meeting with all the politicians and explain to them that illegal immigrants are vital to their profits.
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The adverage citizens in this country are fed up with the cost of coddeling to the illegal population.
Average citizen has little power, I realized this tragedy many many years ago.
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Business are no longer going to be able to pull the strings on the political powers to be.
dream on. Business will always pull the strings. Money talks, bs walks.
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iT IS GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT DO THE SPEAKING FROM NOW ON.
Actions speak louder than words. Talk all you want, in the end the people with money call the shots.
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So your coment about business calling the shots is a moot one at best.
Bob.
The day the average citizen has as much say as a corporation is the day the cubs win the world series.
Actually, that procedure takes time and reduces the amount of available manpower for more violent forms of criminal activity.
Actually, whatever the cost of the time and manpower required to rid AZ of it's illegal alien infestation will more than be compensated for by a reduction in all of the costs associated with the illegal alien baggage.
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Unemployment would not be an issue in the US if our elected representatives to government and any officer of public trust under the United States or of the several States, would simply comply with our Ninth Amendment, a federal doctrine, and state at-will employment laws.
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Foreign labor could subsidize poverty elimination for native US labor. Native US labor would be able to reallocate their resources in a manner that could render them more competitive by being able to go to school, learn a new vocation, or pursue simple Happiness in a manner which secures the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.
Same old stuck record that I've heard from you many times. Totally unrealistic because of the previously stated ILLEGAL ALLIEN BAGGAGE and all that that includes that is assocated with foreign labor. (you know...anchor baby future democratic voters, etc) Oh and now you want to reduce native US labor to democratic party type dependence on gov? Get native labor used to being on the dole and liking it and, of course, becoming democratic voters for life?
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What objection can there be to bearing true witness to our own Constitution and supreme Law of the Land? If we can't do that, on what ethical or moral basis do we deny or disparage less fortunate illegals in their illegality?
Truly, pure BS. Our moral basis for kicking out unwanted uninvited illegal alien border jumper future democratic voters if amnestied is that they are unwanted uninvited and illegal according to our immigration laws.
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