speeding tickets johnson county vienna city (Cairo: military, law, average)

[GunnerTHB]

Originally Posted by Terry D

I can not defend someone driving 107 mph. However, Illinois has speed traps. As I recently drove thru the state on a clear Sunday morning in very light traffic returning from my uncle's funeral, I approached a stretch on I 57 that had cones. I slowed from 65 mph to 60. A Pulaski County deputy sherrif was parked by the first cone. He pulled me over although, I was driving slower than the other vehicles. He stated I was driving 68 mph in a 55 mph 'construction zone.' There was not a single construction worker nor equipment outside of a few cones that he could have put there himself. He gave me a ticket that mandated by a Illinois law that the county is milking like a fat cow that I return for a trial since it was a 'construction zone.' I checked on a lawyer to contest and found out you have to be licensed in that state to represent a client there. The attourneys up there are getting fat on this too at the tune of $300 a customer to represent out-of-state travelers who can not take off from work or afford to return. I had to use my mortage payment money for this bogus ticket. My goal now is to worn everyone traveling I 57 in Pulaski, the seat of Cairo, to slow beneath the limit to avoid this. They also have electronic cameras too.

Cairo is the county seat of Alexander County. Mound City is the county seat of Pulaski County. (Just for clarification). And yes they are probably the two poorest counties in Illinois.

Originally Posted by linicx

If he reduced his speed to 60, why did the radar gun register it at 68? If it was a construction ZONE, where were the posted speed limit and what was it?

Knowing the ways of both counties I mentioned, I wouldn't have a hard time believing that the change in speed limit wasn't posted.

[sleeplessinillinois]

Just a forewarning for anyone driving in Southern Illinois - I use to work at a law office and I primarily dealt with Traffic Tickets so I know what I am talking about - It does not matter if construction workers, equipments, etc are not present. It can be a sunday at midnight and from the point of the first sign to the "end construction" you must go the stated speed limit. "Not seeing a sign" Is not an excuse. It has been known for many years (at least 3) that Pulaski gives more tickets than anyone else. When I moved from Illinois in July Pulaski County alone had given out over 5,000 tickets. I had handled at least 100 in 6 months, all construction. These ARE their big money makers. The moral is, I know it's a long and boring drive but from the second you enter Pulaski county to the moment you leave, drive the speed limit. Always be aware of signs. It doesn't matter what everyone else is driving- they're not going to pay your ticket are they?

[linicx]

You know Sleepless, I've driven over most of the US. It amazes me the number of people who are willinging to exceed the speed limit to kill themselves and their family jst to get somewhere faster.

You're absolutely right when you say, "No one else is going to pay my speedking ticket."

Missouri has a very unique system. When you get stopped for speeding, the police escort you to the nearest court pay. You pay the fine in full then or go directly to jail until you can make bond.

If IL did this there would be less nigh speed carnage on our roads. .

[dlbrnfn]

Originally Posted by linicx

You know Sleepless, I've driven over most of the US. It amazes me the number of people who are willinging to exceed the speed limit to kill themselves and their family jst to get somewhere faster.

You're absolutely right when you say, "No one else is going to pay my speedking ticket."

Missouri has a very unique system. When you get stopped for speeding, the police escort you to the nearest court pay. You pay the fine in full then or go directly to jail until you can make bond.

If IL did this there would be less nigh speed carnage on our roads. .

I was born and raised in Missouri and have had the *cough* occasional speeding ticket and never once was I escorted to the nearest court to pay. In fact unless you are going more than thirty miles over the speed limit you can mail your ticket into the Fine Collection Center. Thirty miles over the speed limit is a mandatory court appearance. Most of the arrests that come out of speeding stops are for outstanding warrants, DUI, possession or if you are a flat out jerk to the officer. And the officers really, REALLY dislike it if you are a jerk to them. My dad just retired from 30 years at a Missouri county sheriff's department so growing up we had all kinds of city, county and state officers around our house. Of course that may explain why I never once got a ticket in my home county.

[linicx]

When I was escorted 30-years ago, I lived in Illinois. When I lived in MO I had no such issues.

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by linicx

You know Sleepless, I've driven over most of the US. It amazes me the number of people who are willinging to exceed the speed limit to kill themselves and their family jst to get somewhere faster.

You're absolutely right when you say, "No one else is going to pay my speedking ticket."

Missouri has a very unique system. When you get stopped for speeding, the police escort you to the nearest court pay. You pay the fine in full then or go directly to jail until you can make bond.

If IL did this there would be less nigh speed carnage on our roads. .

If Michigan, Indiana and Missouri have 70 limits, why is Illinois still at 65?
If other States have Construction Zone limits that specify "when workers are present", why doesn't Illinois?
Could it be that speed limits have 2 purposes? Yes, main one is safety, but the other one is revenue enhancement.
Knock on wood, I have yet to be pulled over if I am doing no more than 9 over the limit.
And I have not "killed" my family doing this; please spare me the antiquated "speed kills" nonsense. DUI/DWI, poor driver training and speeds too fast for conditions are the real culprits. Accident/fatality rates in Germany are actually a little less than in the US even though many sections of Autobahn allow higher speeds and some sections have NO speed limits. Why? Fiercely strict enforcement of DUI/DWI and much more robust driver training are 2 key factors.

[linicx]

Oh Puleeeze. Speed does not kill. Please tell this to the parents of the 80# kid hit by the driver doing 50 in a 20mph school zone. Please tell me most cars are not slightly airborne at 107. Instead of complaining about Illinois why don't you move? Those other states you lovingly speak about do not have the number of roads, the number of vehicles, or the number of resident in Il. There is no way possible to compare a raisin to a grapefruit, or an ant to an elephant.

[Swampmonster]

Originally Posted by sleeplessinillinois

Just a forewarning for anyone driving in Southern Illinois - I use to work at a law office and I primarily dealt with Traffic Tickets so I know what I am talking about - It does not matter if construction workers, equipments, etc are not present. It can be a sunday at midnight and from the point of the first sign to the "end construction" you must go the stated speed limit. "Not seeing a sign" Is not an excuse. It has been known for many years (at least 3) that Pulaski gives more tickets than anyone else. When I moved from Illinois in July Pulaski County alone had given out over 5,000 tickets. I had handled at least 100 in 6 months, all construction. These ARE their big money makers. The moral is, I know it's a long and boring drive but from the second you enter Pulaski county to the moment you leave, drive the speed limit. Always be aware of signs. It doesn't matter what everyone else is driving- they're not going to pay your ticket are they?

I know for a fact that Pulaski is a crooked,worthless LEO area(I know a few of them personally),but if I'm not mistaken,Williamson is by far the worst offender of BS tickets and the number issued...I know that it's made the local news here several times over ticket numbers...IIRC a couple of years ago they had issued 28,000 + tickets and court dockets were slammed

I was in Marion yesterday and as usual there were state cops all over town with people pulled over...they even hunt the side streets there instead of doing their jobs on I-57 and the state routes..they would rather harrass an elderly person over a seatbelt than arrest a methhead..ISP is a pretty scummy herd any more imho and we miss the older ISP guys that have retired that kept these horse's asses in line around here.

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by linicx

Oh Puleeeze. Speed does not kill. Please tell this to the parents of the 80# kid hit by the driver doing 50 in a 20mph school zone. Please tell me most cars are not slightly airborne at 107. Instead of complaining about Illinois why don't you move? Those other states you lovingly speak about do not have the number of roads, the number of vehicles, or the number of resident in Il. There is no way possible to compare a raisin to a grapefruit, or an ant to an elephant.

Talk about comparing raisins and grapefruits, I'm talking about the speeds on major highways and rural interstates and you throw in school zones and the physics of an automobile?
What's next; that the gun kills but the human pulling the trigger does not?
And if you remove the population of Chicago & suburbs from IL and the population of Detroit and suburbs from Michigan, Michigan will have a larger population than IL. And most modern cars are not airborne at 107; typically the same model sold in the US is also sold in Europe and the car is designed for higher European speed limits. Was the person doing 30+ over in the school zone intoxicated, distracted or going too fast for conditions? Certainly YES to one of those.
I stand by what I said," DUI/DWI, poor driver training and speeds too fast for conditions are the real culprits. Accident/fatality rates in Germany are actually a little less than in the US even though many sections of Autobahn allow higher speeds and some sections have NO speed limits. Why? Fiercely strict enforcement of DUI/DWI and much more robust driver training are 2 key factors.

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by muleskinner

I know for a fact that Pulaski is a crooked,worthless LEO area(I know a few of them personally),but if I'm not mistaken,Williamson is by far the worst offender of BS tickets and the number issued...I know that it's made the local news here several times over ticket numbers...IIRC a couple of years ago they had issued 28,000 + tickets and court dockets were slammed

I was in Marion yesterday and as usual there were state cops all over town with people pulled over...they even hunt the side streets there instead of doing their jobs on I-57 and the state routes..they would rather harrass an elderly person over a seatbelt than arrest a methhead..ISP is a pretty scummy herd any more imho and we miss the older ISP guys that have retired that kept these horse's asses in line around here.

Do they give you any "cushion" or does it depend on what state or what part of IL you're from?